You are that person today railing against a class of people you hate without knowing.
Fiddling While Rome Burns
Carthago Delenda Est
"I used to roll the dice; see the fear in my enemies' eyes... listen as the crowd would sing, 'now the old king is dead, Long Live the King.'.."
Or is it because they do those things with the full blessing and consent of our "justice" department?
Don't get me wrong, I have a great deal of disgust for most groups that base their existence on race. We, as the most diverse society ever, need to move beyond that. We can start by recognizing this sort of race (and religion)-based hypocrisy whenever it rears its ugly head.
Good Morning America erroneously (and quickly and cheerfully) tried to tie this tragedy to the Tea Party. No one outside of (or sympathetic to) the Tea Party seemed to be too upset over that. Why? If ABC had immediately tried to make the connection to this crime and Muslims, would there have been outrage? You betcha, and rightfully so.
We, as a society, need to start recognizing the divisions placed amongst us, regardless of the color/creed/religion/sex of the source. And then we need to attack it. And kill it. And dig it up and kill it again. So to speak. Our society could make great leaps forward if we, as a society, universally decried the forces that attempt to divide us.
Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.
Last edited by lpast; 07-21-12 at 01:29 PM.
Gun availability is a problem in the case of ease of availability like it was in the Colorado case. I don't think the 99+ percentage necessarily negates that. It speaks to something different.Perhaps. I would again point out that 99.98% of privately owned firearms are NEVER used in a crime as a counterpoint, however. This means, mathmatically, that only 0.02% (or less) of our "gun availability" is part of the problem.
I would agree that they are NOT a problem in the deliberate misuse of their weapons.As for the "gun culture".... again I think this question is a complex one that does not have a simple one-liner answer. I don't think that serious gun owners, people who actually know their weapons and hunt or shoot a lot, are part of the problem.
That is a good and valid point. There is no doubt that the vast majority of gun owners are responsible. I have no quarrel with that.They are typically throughly aware of the danger factors inherent in firearms, and know from hunting and shooting what a hollowpoint round does to vulnerable flesh, and have no illusions about shooting people as a thing of "glory". More like bloody mess. I had to shoot an aggressive possum IN my house a few months ago, and my son and I had to clean up the bloody mess on the floor afterwards.... quite an education in de-glorifying shooting living creatures.
A certain sort of "Casual" gun owner, and those who possess firearms as part of "thug culture" or out of movie-and-video-game fantasies about "how cool it would be to kill someone" (like the pair of teenage "sniper"-wannabees we had here in my state a couple weeks ago) are where the "gun culture glorification" problem really lies. Here is where you have most of the people who do not respect or understand their weapons, or what it is like to use them, or the enormity of taking life with them. This subculture is where you most often find people who fail to properly and safely store their firearms, or get drunk and accidently shoot Granny, or have unrealistic fantasies about how badass their going to look waving a gun at their asshole neighbor. This sub-set is a minority, but they get a lot of media attention because they're loud and cause lots of problems.
I agree. Somebody like martin Scorsese portrays it fairly realistically.I dislike movies where the hero fires his gun and the bad guy grabs his chest, where there is mysteriously no visible wound, and falls instantly dead.... then the girl comes and stands by his side while he stares into the camera looking manly and the movie ends right there. It is unrealistic in so many ways. When people get shot they tend to bleed, scream, thrash around, and suffer quite a bit before they die in most cases. The hero is probably going to be taken into custody and questioned by the police, and may have to spend a lot of money on lawyers and several months or years in and out of courtrooms getting cleared of all charges in the case, in many jurisdictions.
I agree. And that is also part of our culture that is a part of gun culture regardless if it is intended by responsible gun owners or not.Then you have movies, music and video games glorifying "thug life".... Grand Theft Auto jumps to mind, as do a lot of rap songs and rapsploitation movies like "Tupoc". If they showed the real consequences of thug life... broken families, broken-hearted mothers, abandoned children, monotonous years in prison, or an ugly early death by violence or drug overdose, instead of glorifying it we might have a little less crime.
I think you and I agree on much. But I will say this about your last statement. I agree that serious gun owners are not part of the problem in terms of they misusing weapons. I would however say that some of them contribute to the glorification of firearms and the elevation of them to the status of a playboy centerfold in the way they describe them and talk about them. I live in the Detroit area and I know guys who have pictures of cars on their walls and talk about them the way guys put up pin-ups of big breasted women. It borders on the perverse. I do think that there are gun folks like that and they contribute to the glorification of guns in our culture regardless if they abuse them or if they are responsible.If they showed more movies with truly realistic features like that, I think it would put a serious crimp in the unrealistic fantasies of thug-wannabees, Walter Mitty's and so on.
But serious gun owners are typically not a part of the problem.
As far as other cultures go - yes, you can compare us to Mexico or third world cultures where the murder rate is much higher than ours. But is that the standard we want to use? I think it is much more fair to compare us to Canada or Great Britain or Ireland or even Japan. And that comparison is not a kind one for us.
There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.... John Rogers