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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by GJ Flash View Post
    It's unfortunate that we can't have the discussion we're skipping around, acknowledging certain 800 lb. gorillas might go a long way towards our growth as a united people. We can't have the conversations we need to have, though. Politically incorrect.

    Comparing the U.S. to any other country is like comparing apples to oranges (or apples to orangutans). No other country has anything quite like our history, our culture, or our demographics. Just saying.

    Something else one of my Canadian friends noted after spending most of the winter here in the States: “You guys are really trained to hate yourselves, you know that?” She was right, pride in Country and our fellow citizens isn't a subject we hear a lot about.
    Huh? Since when? Our last president built his entire presidency around trying to get people to "love their kuntreh!" And how many Far-Right idiots have whined that Obama "hates America"?
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    i dont mean to imply everyone. but by far the vast majority of people in this country hate others. there are plenty of people who are willing to help people sure, but the majority of them are selective of who they will help. Some people will only help christians, or only help minorities, or only help children ect Very few people are tolerant even when they think they are. hell, very few people understand what being tolerant or compassionate really is.
    I think you are overstating it, but you do have a point. When I was a kid, "courtesy" was very very important in social settings; now it has been replaced by "attitude". Rudeness is mistaken for strength, arrogance for ability, selfishness for ambition, and pride no longer needs to be based on actual accomplishments. Sometimes our society does seem like a "death of a thousand tiny cuts" and there are plenty of opportunities for haters to find an excuse for their hatred.

    Even so, there are still lots of good people out there. They just seem to be few because the bad ones are so loud and so visible.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    what does our ethnic make-up have to do with our crime-rate?

    nothing at all, unless one is going to argue that brown & black people are genetically prone to commit crime.
    His point, if i am not mistaken, is that when you have a more culturally diverse grouping you tend to higher crime because of the diversity. Different cultural backgrounds clash. Groups may see another as weaker. Groups may target other groups. This can cause additional crime and this can cause additional hate which further causes more crime. Groups may feel unacccepted. Groups may feel threatened. The list goes on and on.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Huh? Since when? Our last president built his entire presidency around trying to get people to "love their kuntreh!" And how many Far-Right idiots have whined that Obama "hates America"?
    this guy is a perfect example of the point i was making.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Most Americans dont know what poverty is. Our poverty rate is high because our standard for poverty is high. Very few Americans live in the conditions people in poverty in other countries do. Very few Americans have no means of getting a meal on a given day.

    Sure, an American on welfare and food stamps and living in subsidized housing is rich compared to a Kenyan back-woods village farmer... but that isn't relevant to the effect of poverty on our culture in terms of crime.

    Poverty is relative to the nation's norms, and to the gap between the haves and have-nots, which is growing. Half the country looks at the other half with envy today, because of that gap. That contributes to hate and coveting what others in your culture have that you do not.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    BTW, while we're comparing countries, here is a list of murder rates by nation. We're nowhere near the worst of the pack, but most nations in the developed world have lower rates than we do.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    His point, if i am not mistaken, is that when you have a more culturally diverse grouping you tend to higher crime because of the diversity. Different cultural backgrounds clash.....
    so that fact that we have Germans, Italians, Jews, Irish, Scots, Russians, Poles, and English......means that we will automatically have a higher crime rate?

    that's dumb and intellectually absurd.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I think you are overstating it, but you do have a point. When I was a kid, "courtesy" was very very important in social settings; now it has been replaced by "attitude". Rudeness is mistaken for strength, arrogance for ability, selfishness for ambition, and pride no longer needs to be based on actual accomplishments. Sometimes our society does seem like a "death of a thousand tiny cuts" and there are plenty of opportunities for haters to find an excuse for their hatred.

    Even so, there are still lots of good people out there. They just seem to be few because the bad ones are so loud and so visible.
    I am not saying there are no good people. I know there are. But in country of 312 million people I bet you couldnt find more than a 10 million people who dont have hate for a group of people.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by goshin View Post
    ...poverty is relative to the nation's norms, and to the gap between the haves and have-nots, which is growing....
    thank you....

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Sure, an American on welfare and food stamps and living in subsidized housing is rich compared to a Kenyan back-woods village farmer... but that isn't relevant to the effect of poverty on our culture in terms of crime.

    Poverty is relative to the nation's norms, and to the gap between the haves and have-nots, which is growing. Half the country looks at the other half with envy today, because of that gap. That contributes to hate and coveting what others in your culture have that you do not.
    Uh. You mean ninety-something percent looks at a tiny fraction of the superrich.
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