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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the problem is we on the right understand the limits of a free society and the fact that nuts will always be able to kill while some on the left want to stop honest people from being able to defend themselves and that is why an "honest" debate is often not possible because the gun restrictionists are dishonest as to their true motivations
    There is a lot of truth to this. When the left wants an "honest debate" about these things, it's just a catchy phrase to mean "honest discussion about furthering the agenda about gun control." If a guy in his 20s with no criminal history has the left looking at him and saying he shouldn't be able to own a gun, that's not honest discussion. That's pushing the leftist anti-gun agenda. More people were killed with cars last year than killed with guns. Why doesn't the left push for car-control?

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the problem is we on the right understand the limits of a free society and the fact that nuts will always be able to kill while some on the left want to stop honest people from being able to defend themselves and that is why an "honest" debate is often not possible because the gun restrictionists are dishonest as to their true motivations
    Your assessment is both overly broad and far too simplistic. I used to carry a firearm until I stopped. In certain areas a firearm is is necessary, such as the wilderness where human population is low. In a crowded metropolitan area a firearm is can be a danger, especially when law enforcement is readily available. Moreover, there are two type of people that should not carry at all; those who are crazy and those who act irresponsibly. I do not wish to make gun control an issue, but, when firearms are made available too easily the crazy and irresponsible ones seem to the ones who are committing heinous acts with these weapons.

    I never heard of a crazed killer ask someone if they were "on the right" or "on the left" before shooting them. Perhaps political perspectives are a non issue here and public safety is the issue at hand.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    There is a lot of truth to this. When the left wants an "honest debate" about these things, it's just a catchy phrase to mean "honest discussion about furthering the agenda about gun control." If a guy in his 20s with no criminal history has the left looking at him and saying he shouldn't be able to own a gun, that's not honest discussion. That's pushing the leftist anti-gun agenda. More people were killed with cars last year than killed with guns. Why doesn't the left push for car-control?
    That's an interesting stat. Do you have a link?

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Furiounova View Post
    That's an interesting stat. Do you have a link?
    According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration's (NHTSA) early projections, the number of traffic fatalities fell three percent between 2009 and 2010, from 33,808 to 32,788
    Traffic Fatalities in 2010 Drop to Lowest Level in Recorded History | National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA)


    The majority of gun-related deaths in the United States are suicides,[5] with 17,352 (55.6%) of the total 31,224 firearm-related deaths in 2007 due to suicide, while 12,632 (40.5%) were homicide deaths.[6]
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    There were more total traffic fatalities than gun deaths, and if we exclude suicides (since most of them would have used another method if guns weren't available to them) there were more than twice as many traffic fatalities as non-suicide gun deaths... and some of those gun deaths were self-defense or police action.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    There are car "controls" though, and stricter road rules are lobbied for all the time, so what's the point being made?

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Life has no guarantees....but no one with a gun they had ZERO chance
    Tell that to the people who took down Jared Loughner. None of them had guns.

    My point though, is that it's just as despicable to use this as an excuse to campaign for getting rid of gun free zones as it is to use it to campaign for more gun control.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Traffic Fatalities in 2010 Drop to Lowest Level in Recorded History | National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA)




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    There were more total traffic fatalities than gun deaths, and if we exclude suicides (since most of them would have used another method if guns weren't available to them) there were more than twice as many traffic fatalities as non-suicide gun deaths... and some of those gun deaths were self-defense or police action.
    maybe we should reduce the highway speed limit back to 55 rather than 65.

    I bet that would save a few lives.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    maybe we should reduce the highway speed limit back to 55 rather than 65.

    I bet that would save a few lives.
    And you'd be wrong, because there are considerably fewer deaths now than there were when the speed limit was 55 -- and when population is taken into account, even more considerably.

    List of motor vehicle deaths in U.S. by year - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    EDIT: I see Goshin already posted similar info.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    The entire problem with an unarmed society is that only the good guys would be unarmed. Thats the way its always been. This nutcase kid would have gotten the means to do what he did if there were strict and enforced gun laws.
    You people always use Prohibition as an example to legalize weed...the same applies to guns, ban them and theres going to be alot of people getting rich off importing them illegally and selling them. YOU CANT STOP THE BAD GUYS from getting guns..
    If there were of people armed in that theatre...death and injuries wouldnt have been prevented because of him having the jump on everyone the element of surprise and the initial shock and fear of everyone...but a 40 caliber glock, 9mil or +P rounds bouncing off a kevlar vest if not knocking him on his ass and disabling him ..would certainly stop him from continuing to fire and if there was anyone trained and realized he was wearing a vest, could have went for leg or head shots...VESTS only protect the largest target area on your person...your chest...there would be no dead cops if they did any more.
    If the No guns folks have their way...every nut like this knows any group of people are defenseless easy pickins...and they are easy pickins for any nutjob hellbent on killing people..
    I am not advocating an unarmed society. I am not advocating that we all be armed and carry.

    I am not a person who wants to ban guns or ammunition and take away the guns of current owners.
    I am not a NRA member who puts up centerfolds of the latest and greatest high powered rifle.

    Is there not some place in the middle where people can advocate for responsible gun ownership but yet have reasonable laws which protect society from turning into Deadwood?
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    maybe we should reduce the highway speed limit back to 55 rather than 65.

    I bet that would save a few lives.
    And if we reduced it to 15mph we'd save tens of thousands of lives.... and it would be worth it right? After all, whats' inconveniencing tens of millions of people compared to saving lives?

    Of course, groceries would get expensive if those big trucks could only drive 15mph from Maine to California on the highway, but saving lives is the only thing that matters!

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