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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    No amount of gun control that is realistically possible in the US would have stopped this. There are simply too many guns existing in the country for making it harder to buy them to have much affect on a criminal's ability to get a gun. Look at automatic weapons for an example. It's been illegal to buy newly manufactured ones for almost 30 years, and you can sill buy them relatively easily. The price is 4-5 times what it used to be, but they're available. You could ban gun sales to civilians completely, and unless you went around taking away the guns that people already own, it would not make it significantly harder for someone to get access to a gun, even if it was illegal. And taking people's guns away is realistically never going to happen in this country. Guns really aren't the issue here though. You could take away every gun in America, and things like this would still happen. That's because crazy people don't need guns to do things like this. Just look at Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer, Timothy McVeigh, Benjamin Atkins, etc.

    Hopefully the wounded recover okay, and the guy that did it gets the death penalty.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    If there were of people armed in that theatre...death and injuries wouldnt have been prevented because of him having the jump on everyone the element of surprise and the initial shock and fear of everyone...but a 40 caliber glock, 9mil or +P rounds bouncing off a kevlar vest if not knocking him on his ass and disabling him ..would certainly stop him from continuing to fire and if there was anyone trained and realized he was wearing a vest, could have went for leg or head shots...VESTS only protect the largest target area on your person...your chest...there would be no dead cops if they did any more.
    While I think that using this to advance a gun control agenda is despicable, I also think it's ridiculous to state categorically that armed citizens in the theater would have stopped the attack sooner. We have no idea what would have happened if people in the theater had been armed. There may have BEEN armed people in the theater.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Guns are not really the issue, are they?

    Some people like nervous chicken hearted Barneys probably shoudn't carry and can't be taught judgment and restraint. People who are marginally sane or taking lots of medication probably shouldn't carry.

    Those who drink and drug.. probably shouldn't carry.

    Of course we don't want those with criminal records to carry.. or those with domestic violence records.

    Uhhhh.. If you carry, you take on a huge responsibility.............

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    While I think that using this to advance a gun control agenda is despicable, I also think it's ridiculous to state categorically that armed citizens in the theater would have stopped the attack sooner. We have no idea what would have happened if people in the theater had been armed. There may have BEEN armed people in the theater.
    Life has no guarantees....but no one with a gun they had ZERO chance...one or more with a gun there was a c hance to save some or many of the people

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    No amount of gun control that is realistically possible in the US would have stopped this. There are simply too many guns existing in the country for making it harder to buy them to have much affect on a criminal's ability to get a gun.
    agreed..
    the same for alcohol and drug laws... the proverbial genie is out of the bottle..
    until a drunk person causes an accident they should have a right to drive until they harm another.. drinkers will drink..
    someone should have the personal freedom to smoke weed, snort lines or whatever until it harms another.. druggies will get their buzz..

    pretty much as it applies to guns.. until a crime is commited, anyone can have a gun..

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Seems like a pretty damned good reason to reinstate stricter limits on assault-style weapons and especially oversized clips. Could happen if Romney wins.

    According to the Aurora police chief the shooter had at least one 100-round, barrel-type magazine.
    that of course is the emotobabble response

    the federal bans on booby traps and explosives worked to prevent acquisition of those items

    100 round barrel type magazine-what idiocy. drum magazine is the correct term btw

    disarmed victims in gun free zones-the ARC wet dream

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Life has no guarantees....but no one with a gun they had ZERO chance...one or more with a gun there was a c hance to save some or many of the people
    Zero chance? Really? You should tell that to the unarmed church members who stopped Jim Adkisson who walked in and began shooting during a play of Annie.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Yep, just 12 collateral casualties in the quest to have absolute guns rights.

    Funny, we have less than a handful of people voting that should not be so we have to rush to implement all kinds of voter ID laws so it never happens again; but God forbid that someone should suggest a little bit of tightening on the availability of assault weapons, after half a dozen or so of shooting rampages where lots of people actually died and we have to waive the Constitution and say "hell no" we will give NOTHING. Sorry, but the Regressives have no sense of reality or humanity.

    You can pry this gun from my cold dead hands.... cold because that is the temperature of blood that circulates in the Regressive blood system.
    more emotobabble-the far left gun haters never figure out that if the war on drugs cannot stop people from getting a one time use product why the proposed war on drugs is going to stop people getting guns

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    A serious question for you and other who feel this way: if one is not suppose to "use" actual real events that have occurred in our society to foster discussion and put forth suggestions and ideas as how to avoid such things, what is suppose to help drive and motivate the national discourse on this topic?

    What is so inherently wrong with adding this movie theater massacre to the long and growing list of firearm massacres that have occurred and then asking relevant questions about it?

    This has happened before.

    This will happen again.

    We have a nation where guns are widespread and readily available. We have the Constitution which protects the right to bear arms. I believe this is mostly a good and positive thing in which the benefits out weigh the negatives. However, there are negatives. There is a downside. And a dozen movie goers were simply the latest to pay the ultimate price as part of that downside.

    So what is so inherently wrong with having an honest discussion when these thing occur?
    the problem is we on the right understand the limits of a free society and the fact that nuts will always be able to kill while some on the left want to stop honest people from being able to defend themselves and that is why an "honest" debate is often not possible because the gun restrictionists are dishonest as to their true motivations

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the problem is we on the right understand the limits of a free society and the fact that nuts will always be able to kill while some on the left want to stop honest people from being able to defend themselves and that is why an "honest" debate is often not possible because the gun restrictionists are dishonest as to their true motivations
    my problem is the right and left focus only on the guns. There is no honest dialogue on why this epidemic is occurring. You can't use the crazy people approach because other first world nations with similar cultures and guns are not experiencing this kind of terrorism on the same frequency.

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