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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post
    May be they are, may be they are not. May be they have a point or not.


    But to be legally allowed to purchased 6,000 rounds of ammunition online , like he did?... well.... doesn't seem right to me!
    the shipping costs would be brutal

    we buy online but we live close enough to pick it up

    we get price breaks at 1000 rounds

    we shoot about 1000 rounds a month between the three of us and the people I teach

    why should that be illegal

    what doesn't seem right to me is some asshole shooting a bunch of innocent people

    but I understand if someone is going to do that asking about LAWS is sort of misplaced

    the only law that stops a guy like that is the fundamental one of kill or be killed

    since no one was able to kill him-he was able to kill as much as he wanted

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post
    May be they are, may be they are not. May be they have a point or not.


    But to be legally allowed to purchased 6,000 rounds of ammunition online , like he did?... well.... doesn't seem right to me!
    Limiting ammo purchases can have a negative effect on people who want them for legal purposes, for instance if I bought a crate of .40 rounds for target shooting I can come out ahead rather than buying box rounds at about 100$ per hundred. While I may pay more at purchase it would take me longer to burn through them and there is a point that I come out ahead versus smaller purchases. The other problem is that if the kid wanted that many he could have just planned out further back and bought them a box at a time, or purchased from different retailers. I wouldn't have a problem with police asking questions of someone purchasing that much ammo at one time because legitimate shooters can more than answer their questions sufficiently whereas this kid could have raised a red flag somewher, I know I'd be happy to answer police questions about a bulk purchase. One more thing to consider, when ranges sell ammo, many times they buy in bulk for retailing, limiting this could have negative effects on them as well
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Unless Colorado has a law making carrying a gun illegal,
    unless there was no one in the theater with a concealed carry permit,
    then it does not follow that more liberal gun laws would have put a stop to the shooting.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    but citizens of the USA should not have to carry weapons to go watch a film in the cinema with their family.
    I absolutetly agree with that, my commentary is upon the rise in violence more than anything. Prior to the 1970s people could for the most part keep their doors unlocked and call on their neighbors for anything, I would LOVE for that to be the general life again and honestly I don't know the best way to get there.
    You have the right to carry a firearm but it should not mean death if you dont. America is a free country and its citizens should be able to live their lifes without feeling the need to carry a Gun, if you do carry all the power to you but if you dont and you get shot by a lunatic then that is not the fault of the victim.
    I may not have been clear, we are definitely on the same page here and I cannot find one thing to disagree with in this. I don't want people to have to carry a gun to survive, I'd much rather they stay in the recreational range, but until we can solve the rise in crime I worry that the need will increase rather than decrease. Nothing would make me happier than to be wrong on that.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Unless Colorado has a law making carrying a gun illegal,
    unless there was no one in the theater with a concealed carry permit,
    then it does not follow that more liberal gun laws would have put a stop to the shooting.
    I am not second guessing anyone who was in that theater.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Unless Colorado has a law making carrying a gun illegal,
    unless there was no one in the theater with a concealed carry permit,
    then it does not follow that more liberal gun laws would have put a stop to the shooting.
    This guy had every advantage in the world, no one going to that movie expected an ambush, heck, the police didn't even expect problems. The worst thing about this is the attacker has the advantage in situations like this, he had the prior knowledge of what he would do exclusively and planned the whole thing out. Just flat out disgusting.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    This guy had every advantage in the world, no one going to that movie expected an ambush, heck, the police didn't even expect problems. The worst thing about this is the attacker has the advantage in situations like this, he had the prior knowledge of what he would do exclusively and planned the whole thing out. Just flat out disgusting.
    Yes, that it is.
    It doesn't seem likely that anything could have prevented the tragedy.

    Unless we're willing to go through airport style security to see a movie. Even that might not work.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    This guy had every advantage in the world, no one going to that movie expected an ambush, heck, the police didn't even expect problems. The worst thing about this is the attacker has the advantage in situations like this, he had the prior knowledge of what he would do exclusively and planned the whole thing out. Just flat out disgusting.
    Although the trailer has now been yanked, one of the previews before the movie began showed a gunman shooting people in a darkened theater. According to one witness, when the gunman came back in the door, he thought what was being tossed were fake bats. People thought this was a hoax, a joke.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Agreed. Of course that has nothing to do with gun policy. If more people had guns in the theater it could have just as likely been worse than better. What would have mattered wouldn't have been the number of guns but the person who had a gun. If every person in that theater was armed but an idiot at using a gun then we can be pretty certain that it would not have been a better situation. Simply owning a gun doesn't make someone qualified to use it.
    While all this is supposition I am having trouble getting past this. If more folks had guns presumably they wouldn’t have used them unless there was a threat. The shooter identified himself a threat by shooting. IF a CC close to the threat had terminated him the shooting would have stopped thus preventing more/secondary shooting. Wouldn't this be better? Whatif it were a TM/GZ situation where the shooter was standing over a intended victim who shot in SD at close range? But of course you could have a chain reaction where each CC shot the previous shooter…Really?

    Secondly, presume an off duty police officer were in the theatre. Many of them carry when off duty. Would he be derelict by not responding to the threat?
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    This guy had every advantage in the world, no one going to that movie expected an ambush, heck, the police didn't even expect problems. The worst thing about this is the attacker has the advantage in situations like this, he had the prior knowledge of what he would do exclusively and planned the whole thing out. Just flat out disgusting.
    and its just not somthing we can not stop! If sick people want to carry out these kind of events we will always struggle to stop them unless of course we start posting armed police at cinemas, schools etc which I think most people on here would agree is a step in the wrong direction. The US would start to become more like the UK with CCTV on every cornor (big brother watching your every move).
    Last edited by Higgins86; 07-21-12 at 12:29 AM.
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