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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Have to admit though I find it interesting that people are going after guns rather than the violent society we live in! In films like Batman dont we glorify bad guys who kill innocent people? Dont get me wrong Im not blaming the Batman films but we do live in a violent society with video games, films and TV all adding to it.
    So do other society's and they aren't grieving their nations tonight...
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Is there a Constitutional right to own an AK-47?
    of course there is

    its a common weapon that is not extraordinarily dangerous

    read Heller

    and an AK 47 is not relevant to this discussion

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    even with training you cant say for certain that shooting back could of improved the situation. Dark cinema, gas flying around, people running screaming etc even a trained shooter could of hit an innocent and with several guns going off how would you know for sure who to shoot. In the army I saw some of the best marksmen miss the target under pressure situations, with the sun beating down on you, dust, sand, smoke and people running/screaming sometimes the worst thing you could do was to start shooting.
    And that was in a pub in Earl's Court!

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    So do other society's and they aren't grieving their nations tonight...


    That doesn't make much sense but Norway was grieving a few months ago

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    of course there is

    its a common weapon that is not extraordinarily dangerous

    read Heller

    and an AK 47 is not relevant to this discussion
    Well, in a weird sort of way, we could not consider ak-47 a gun and then gg ak-47... (gg good game)
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Interestingly, it wasn't as much of a problem when families watched together and parents took the time to explain to their children that it was not real, and that there are lots of consequences to real violence.
    I agree with that kids and familes are much different today, I mean how many kids under the age of 16 own video games like Grand Theft Auto even though its R rated and how many of those kids had the game bought by their parents?
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    My son and I are going to see the movie tomorrow. I don't plan on doing anything different; I will be armed as usual whenver I leave the house, and don't plan on being any more paranoid than I normally am.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    the Chief of police is saying that there appears to be live MORTAR rounds in the apartment of the sicko

    I really wouldn't have a problem if the police made the shooter go in and defuse the bombs

    if he decides to go out with a bang so be it

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    So do other society's and they aren't grieving their nations tonight...
    gun crime isnt just exclusive to America. Look at Norway last year and even in the UK a guy went on a rampage in the countryside with a shotgun not long ago. You only have to look at the knife crime statistics in the UK to know that guns are not the problem, Humans will find a way to kill eachother guns or no guns! We are good like that.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Problem with this sort of dis-CUSS-ion is it becomes highly personal.

    Well that and highly theoretical. I remember classroom training on infantry tank killer teams with sand table exercises. In a perfect world our smoke masked us until the T62's got within 200 yards, the artillery wasn't too busy so they could drop a few HE on 'em to button them up, oh the wind would cooperate, not so strong it flattened and dispersed the smoke plume but not so light it is capriciously variable. Goes without saying the Roosian artillery probing fire would miss us because we have mad Ingin skills and Gawd is on our side.

    All that is to say reality and what we think would happen and how we will deal with it is quite often four different things. How does that old saying go? Want to make God laugh, tell Her what you are planning...

    Not knocking those who think they would rush fearlessly forward, use mad ninja skills, or just carrying would have halted the murder spree, more power to you, I doubt you will ever be in the wrong place at the right time and do hope if you ever are your encounter doesn't end your life. My opinion is you would add to the death count for the bad guy but heroes don't consider that. Is part of the hero thing.

    Brings us to an overlooked fact, 3-4 folks here say they have low fear, mad skills, or pack 24/7 to be the angel of good in a hellish situation, you have to ask where were the Colorado counterparts who were actually on the scene as it unfolded? Surely we are not a nation of 3-4 heroes just? Where was the fearless one, the mad ninja creeper or the 24/7 shootist? Colorado is a 'shall issue' state, where were the self-described sheepdogs that protect us all from the rabid wolves?

    Perhaps the big picture is rarely are those who are ready to face certain death coz of any combination of no fear, great VC skills, nice concealed carry weapon where they need to be when they need to when it comes to facing a mass murderer.

    Oh just in the interest of facts, I don't know if this was addressed, the thread moves awfully fast, a Dr. Tiller was shot in his church where he was an usher. Two other men were threatened by the murderer, an anti-abortion zealot, but no one stopped the man and he drove away in a blue taurus. No one jumped the guy, he wasn't out to kill everyone like at the movie theater. Now a mass murderer starts using a shotgun at extremely close range in the packed TVUU Church during a kid's play, some do launch themselves at the mass murderer and subdue him. It is difficult to compare situations where the murderer isn't a mass murderer but a selected target one.

    Difficult to know all the variables in each shooting and the outcome if one more hero was there or not. Good internet fodder but perhaps a bit too complex to have more than the haziest of ideas on what would happen.

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