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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Yes, those innocents paid the ultimate price for a society with our particular freedoms. Unfortunately for you, the folks at MSNBC has nothing to do with it.
    Please...tell us which of our "freedoms" allowed for this to happen.

    Is there a constitutional right to murder people utilizing a gun that I somehow missed?

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Do people have access to this stuff? I mean I really hope not level VI... Please god say they don't...
    sure but its real expensive-really heavy etc

    a basic IIA or III vest is about 300 dollars

    a Level IV is up in the 1000 range especially with ceramic trauma plates

    I have a vest that will stop up to 44Mag in my bedroom. it has a flashlight, a weapon and spare mags on it. IF the alarm goes off my wife gets behind the bed with her shotgun, my son locks his door upstairs and gets behind his bed with his pistol covering the door and I cover our bedroom door with the glock from the heavy oaken dresser to put any one coming from the door into a crossfire If I have to go out into the house, I have the vest on, with a M4 rifle with a night vision scope and the pistol on the vest. but the way my son is trained I shouldn't have to leave our bedroom because he is going to be safe upstairs and he knows if someone comes through that door without me saying all clear he's to start shooting at whatever comes through the door

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    DO people get red flagged for it? I have no idea and google is proving unfruitful... (I might be redflagged for asking lol IDK)
    It's illegal to sell it, I don't think there is a real way to flag for owning it, but I know I'd report someone for it just for the fact that you'd have to be nuts to spend that kind of money for bulky and frankly oppressively heavy protection. If someone is just crazy that's fine, but if they are buying it to even potentially cause a catastrophe and I let it go I couldn't live with myself.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Yes, those innocents paid the ultimate price for a society with our particular freedoms. Unfortunately for you, the folks at MSNBC has nothing to do with it.
    Look, this guy is a nutter. This kind of person is determined to slaughter as many people as possible and for no reason. If he had known he would not have succeeded getting guns in the theater he would have picked another method or another venue. He would have cut the brakes on a tour bus or tossed a homemade bomb down the isle of place of worship. Freedom of movement might stop some rat bastard like the guy in Aurora, but to suggest that banning guns or the like would prevent ****heads hell bent on killing people is simply not correct. Are you suggesting the government consider restricting freedom of movement?

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    sure but its real expensive-really heavy etc

    a basic IIA or III vest is about 300 dollars

    a Level IV is up in the 1000 range especially with ceramic trauma plates

    I have a vest that will stop up to 44Mag in my bedroom. it has a flashlight, a weapon and spare mags on it. IF the alarm goes off my wife gets behind the bed with her shotgun, my son locks his door upstairs and gets behind his bed with his pistol covering the door and I cover our bedroom door with the glock from the heavy oaken dresser to put any one coming from the door into a crossfire If I have to go out into the house, I have the vest on, with a M4 rifle with a night vision scope and the pistol on the vest. but the way my son is trained I shouldn't have to leave our bedroom because he is going to be safe upstairs and he knows if someone comes through that door without me saying all clear he's to start shooting at whatever comes through the door
    Hmmm. I was wrong on that, I thought I remembered the highest two levels being banned by federal law. I know there is no good reason to own them due to the expense and discomfort.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    It's illegal to sell it, I don't think there is a real way to flag for owning it, but I know I'd report someone for it just for the fact that you'd have to be nuts to spend that kind of money for bulky and frankly oppressively heavy protection. If someone is just crazy that's fine, but if they are buying it to even potentially cause a catastrophe and I let it go I couldn't live with myself.
    Yeah, I think I'll be on the safe side and just report someone either way... I don't think I can take a chance with that sort of thing now... non-emergency PD number is for the win...
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Have to admit though I find it interesting that people are going after guns rather than the violent society we live in! In films like Batman dont we glorify bad guys who kill innocent people? Dont get me wrong Im not blaming the Batman films but we do live in a violent society with video games, films and TV all adding to it.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Please...tell us which of our "freedoms" allowed for this to happen.

    Is there a constitutional right to murder people utilizing a gun that I somehow missed?
    Is there a Constitutional right to own an AK-47?


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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Look, this guy is a nutter. This kind of person is determined to slaughter as many people as possible and for no reason. If he had known he would not have succeeded getting guns in the theater he would have picked another method or another venue. He would have cut the brakes on a tour bus or tossed a homemade bomb down the isle of place of worship. Freedom of movement might stop some rat bastard like the guy in Aurora, but to suggest that banning guns or the like would prevent ****heads hell bent on killing people is simply not correct. Are you suggesting the government consider restricting freedom of movement?
    Then why did he inform police of explosives?

    Personalty I think he did it because he was expecting his loud music to explode causing a distraction and by his shooting he could claim the ULTIMATE confusion. (What I heard on ABC)
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
    -Jryan

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Have to admit though I find it interesting that people are going after guns rather than the violent society we live in! In films like Batman dont we glorify bad guys who kill innocent people? Dont get me wrong Im not blaming the Batman films but we do live in a violent society with video games, films and TV all adding to it.
    Interestingly, it wasn't as much of a problem when families watched together and parents took the time to explain to their children that it was not real, and that there are lots of consequences to real violence.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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