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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    its too bad we, as a society, cannot trade all those innocent young people for some of those turds at MSNBC
    Wow, really? You are for rating people for worth? WTF Turtle?
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    I think I agree but you had no chance with him fully clothed in body armor... (Obviously with you it was a "I know "headshot" or nothing")

    I sort of thought of the scenario today of EVERYONE having a handgun... That would, I think, stir more confusion and is why I think that our current system works . Yay for fully converting a liberal junkie ...

    But on the anti-gun side, if even one had a handgun it would of stirred enough confusion to cause even more chaos...
    Unless someone is using level 6 armor there are always gaps, levels I and II are typicall for handguns, II having the better chance of stopping > .40 cal. IIA to IIIA offers much more protection and gets into smaller rifles and shotguns. IV and V get into full urban and warzone assault and are designed to stop rifle fire, shotguns and will protect up to a larger degree but all of those are pieced together with gaps in between, effective unless you end up in close quarters such as shot down with no backup where a person can close the distance to get to the gap. The real problem comes with level VI body armor which is multilayered, steel, full helmet with few to no uncovered areas, typically this is large round and ornance protection.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    If everyone had a handgun and no training-a real disaster

    if a dozen people had training and handguns-less dead innocents

    if other places that had suffered massacres had not been gun free zones, I suspect the guy might not have tried it since a lot of those massacres would have been prevented by armed citizens early in the shooting

    the only good news is that maybe we will learn why the theater's Emergency exit was a sieve and that a guy like this is probably going to rot in solitary or be in diapers within a year of his sentencing
    even with training you cant say for certain that shooting back could of improved the situation. Dark cinema, gas flying around, people running screaming etc even a trained shooter could of hit an innocent and with several guns going off how would you know for sure who to shoot. In the army I saw some of the best marksmen miss the target under pressure situations, with the sun beating down on you, dust, sand, smoke and people running/screaming sometimes the worst thing you could do was to start shooting.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Unless someone is using level 6 armor there are always gaps, levels I and II are typicall for handguns, II having the better chance of stopping > .40 cal. IIA to IIIA offers much more protection and gets into smaller rifles and shotguns. IV and V get into full urban and warzone assault and are designed to stop rifle fire, shotguns and will protect up to a larger degree but all of those are pieced together with gaps in between, effective unless you end up in close quarters such as shot down with no backup where a person can close the distance to get to the gap. The real problem comes with level VI body armor which is multilayered, steel, full helmet with few to no uncovered areas, typically this is large round and ornance protection.
    Do people have access to this stuff? I mean I really hope not level VI... Please god say they don't...
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
    -Jryan

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Wow, really? You are for rating people for worth? WTF Turtle?

    in this case yes-people who blame the NRA or our constitution for this massacre are real sick losers.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    even with training you cant say for certain that shooting back could of improved the situation. Dark cinema, gas flying around, people running screaming etc even a trained shooter could of hit an innocent and with several guns going off how would you know for sure who to shoot. In the army I saw some of the best marksmen miss the target under pressure situations, with the sun beating down on you, dust, sand, smoke and people running/screaming sometimes the worst thing you could do was to start shooting.
    the future is unwritten so you should exercise your rights

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    in this case yes-people who blame the NRA or our constitution for this massacre are real sick losers.
    How does criticizing a agency make someone a loser? You aren't making sense... Take a look at FNC and their republican party...
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the future is unwritten so you should exercise your rights
    I dont disagree with you on that but I dont see arming the entire population as an option
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Do people have access to this stuff? I mean I really hope not level VI... Please god say they don't...
    Civilians aren't supposed to own anything greater than level IV and even that is iffy in a lot of places. There really is no legitimate reason to own the highest levels outside of riot control and explosives disposal, it's extremely expensive, and from what I understand incredibly uncomfortable. I know I'd red flag anyone who bought it.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Civilians aren't supposed to own anything greater than level IV and even that is iffy in a lot of places. There really is no legitimate reason to own the highest levels outside of riot control and explosives disposal, it's extremely expensive, and from what I understand incredibly uncomfortable. I know I'd red flag anyone who bought it.
    DO people get red flagged for it? I have no idea and google is proving unfruitful... (I might be redflagged for asking lol IDK)
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
    -Jryan

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