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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Brilliant! I'll meet you outside the theater of your choice in 10 years. You bring your GPS gun and I'll bring my S&W Combat Masterpiece, Model 15-4, heavy barrel, .38 Special and we will see who gets in the theater armed; high tech vs. low tech, new vs. old.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    I mean is there anything I can do, other than confront him, to retroactively not let him carry? Could I call the police department, or do they not second guess concealed carrys?
    Unfortunately with all the redundant laws we have on the books and many that accomplish nothing the only way it's illegal to be negligent with a firearm is if another law is broken. The police have no tools to deal with that from a legal standpoint, confronting him won't do any good either, the situation can't change because it's a family matter and the friend doesn't want to go against them so unless he wanted a different path enough to surrender the CCW that's not an option.

    I would say possibly make it a social event, going to a range with a good master, not just a "rent an alley" where they turn people loose. There are actually a lot of subtleties to using a weapon effectively so if there is maybe a sheriff's range that is open to the public or a place run by a real pro that knows what they are doing it could be fun. Once your friend learns that he has much more to learn than he thought he would decide to take it seriously.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    given I would only pull the trigger if I knew where the bullet would hit-yes

    You cannot use suppressive fire in an active shooter situation. but a guy deploying an AR or a pump gun is going to be much easier to ID than someone with a small pistol

    the one time I shot someone it was a contact shot-given what I have read of this issue several people could have contact shot this guy. a rifle or shotgun is far more lethal for offensive attacks on unarmed people but both are far more easy to divert, block or take away at close range. there are some neat fairly easy to use tactics that involve stepping inside the effective interval of a rifleman and punching your pistol into his eye while pulling the trigger. of course if he was aiming at you before you could close that interval you are going to die but if he is aiming at someone several feet to your left or right-you have a better than even chance of winning if you are within several feet
    I think I agree but you had no chance with him fully clothed in body armor... (Obviously with you it was a "I know "headshot" or nothing")

    I sort of thought of the scenario today of EVERYONE having a handgun... That would, I think, stir more confusion and is why I think that our current system works . Yay for fully converting a liberal junkie ...

    But on the anti-gun side, if even one had a handgun it would of stirred enough confusion to cause even more chaos...
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    I think I agree but you had no chance with him fully clothed in body armor... (Obviously with you it was a "I know "headshot" or nothing")

    I sort of thought of the scenario today of EVERYONE having a handgun... That would, I think, stir more confusion and is why I think that our current system works . Yay for fully converting a liberal junkie ...

    But on the anti-gun side, if even one had a handgun it would of stirred enough confusion to cause even more chaos...
    If everyone had a handgun and no training-a real disaster

    if a dozen people had training and handguns-less dead innocents

    if other places that had suffered massacres had not been gun free zones, I suspect the guy might not have tried it since a lot of those massacres would have been prevented by armed citizens early in the shooting

    the only good news is that maybe we will learn why the theater's Emergency exit was a sieve and that a guy like this is probably going to rot in solitary or be in diapers within a year of his sentencing

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Unfortunately with all the redundant laws we have on the books and many that accomplish nothing the only way it's illegal to be negligent with a firearm is if another law is broken. The police have no tools to deal with that from a legal standpoint, confronting him won't do any good either, the situation can't change because it's a family matter and the friend doesn't want to go against them so unless he wanted a different path enough to surrender the CCW that's not an option.

    I would say possibly make it a social event, going to a range with a good master, not just a "rent an alley" where they turn people loose. There are actually a lot of subtleties to using a weapon effectively so if there is maybe a sheriff's range that is open to the public or a place run by a real pro that knows what they are doing it could be fun. Once your friend learns that he has much more to learn than he thought he would decide to take it seriously.
    Hey, I appreciate the advice in which I will heed. I think that this guy, while he may not, and probably isn't a danger to society, he does need to take heed as a citizen to be the person that can make that ultimate samaritan choice... It saddens me that anyone with the responsibility of a samaritan in which I think we instill CC carriers with...
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    its too bad we, as a society, cannot trade all those innocent young people for some of those turds at MSNBC
    Yes, those innocents paid the ultimate price for a society with our particular freedoms. Unfortunately for you, the folks at MSNBC has nothing to do with it.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    If everyone had a handgun and no training-a real disaster

    if a dozen people had training and handguns-less dead innocents

    if other places that had suffered massacres had not been gun free zones, I suspect the guy might not have tried it since a lot of those massacres would have been prevented by armed citizens early in the shooting

    the only good news is that maybe we will learn why the theater's Emergency exit was a sieve and that a guy like this is probably going to rot in solitary or be in diapers within a year of his sentencing
    Right, but why our system works is because it divides the sane/insane from skilled marksmanship I think...

    Solitary should be outlawed, in the fullest extent...
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Yes, those innocents paid the ultimate price for a society with our particular freedoms. Unfortunately for you, the folks at MSNBC has nothing to do with it.
    that really is not responsive

    our freedoms had nothing to do with this

    its a sick whacko who killed people and btw it is highly illegal to even obtain explosives let alone booby trap your apartment

    so you can pretend that the freedom to own guns caused this as you have inanely claimed in the past but that is just plain stupid.

    that this place was a gun free zone is the only law that is really relevant-I doubt this guy would have picked a place where people were more likely to be armed

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Right, but why our system works is because it divides the sane/insane from skilled marksmanship I think...

    Solitary should be outlawed, in the fullest extent...
    works for me-I hope he is in with the general prison population. that would be better punishment than being put to sleep

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    its too bad we, as a society, cannot trade all those innocent young people for some of those turds at MSNBC

    Yep. I sent a pro gun tweet to them. Let's see if they show mine on there.

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