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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Not so true for the circumstantial situation. Think about it, I can't shoot straight with tear gas in my eyes... Should I be doing this near or around other people, never mind 100s?

    Again, I think that our current system is good on ownership of guns...
    Most gun owners know the 3 rules of gun ownership, and wouldn't take the shot unless they were certain no one was behind their target. The trick to this is get close, and kneel down. Now the crowd isn't behind his head, the wall/ceiling is.
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    Really - no one wins from this situation. Conservatives get a stronger "carry" argument, Liberals get a stronger "more gun regulation" argument, and 14 people are dead. Lose, lose, lose.
    I'm not arguing for more carry, I'm never going to accept the ideas of people who don't know much about weaponry as far as where my rights should be. I think any tactics which use the deaths of innocents to advance an agenda is repugnant and really should be re-evaluated as arguments if all that can be used is raw in the moment emotion. I am concerned about the victims and their families.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    Most gun owners know the 3 rules of gun ownership, and wouldn't take the shot unless they were certain no one was behind their target. The trick to this is get close, and kneel down. Now the crowd isn't behind his head, the wall/ceiling is.
    he was in close quarters mostly using the long guns. close from behind put gun in the neck right below the helmet pull trigger

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    yeah I was thinking the same thing-no way that guy just walked back into the theater wearing a helmet carrying two big conspicuous ominous looking weapons. So he apparently snuck out the emergency exit. First of all that should have been alarmed or else joe cheapskate will open that door up after buying ONE ticket and letting his 15 fraternity buddies all sneak in for free (I was a college kid once-I know the score)

    secondly if the door was propped open so he could get back in, the alarm should have been going full psycho by then with security being called because that would often signal a fire.
    He did, from what I've read, have the door propped up. Was in the theater, walked out and changed into his gear, and came back in. Let me see if I can find the link again.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    "A San Diego woman, who identified herself as Holmes' mother, said that her gut instinct told her that her son was responsible for what has become the state's worst mass shooting since Columbine.

    'You have the right person,' she told ABC. 'I need to call the police... I need to fly out to Colorado."


    Now, why would she have said something like that.... were there previous signs of his mental instability after all?

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    The Norman Goldman show is doing this issue all day today. Actually he is using this event to have a discussion on gun control. This shows completely bad judgement on Norm's part. Lets have some sensitivity for the vicitims here. Sheesh. These people who work in broadcast media have ZERO instincts for journalism.I mean, you all know people with journalism degrees who work or have friends with journalism degrees who work in broadcasting and they have no judgement when it comes to news - NONE.

    How do these people get hired and keep their jobs?

    Do media conglomerates merely hire the dumbest people on the block?

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    Most gun owners know the 3 rules of gun ownership, and wouldn't take the shot unless they were certain no one was behind their target. The trick to this is get close, and kneel down. Now the crowd isn't behind his head, the wall/ceiling is.
    Ah, thanks, I don't know and the few I do, which I ask them about, don't know about when **** hits the fan... I guess I've built that wall from them...

    For instance (no names), I know someone with his/her concealed carry and he told me he can't hit a target past 30 feet and the only reason he carry's is to make his parents happy...

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    And a ban on wearing costumes to movies too.
    We should just ban movie theaters altogether. Along with sports stadiums. Concerts. Political rallies. Amusement parks. Marathons. Charity walks. Schools. Colleges. Libraries. Grocery stores. Shopping Malls. Yep. Let's ban all those to make sure the shooters never win again.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Ah, thanks, I don't know and the few I do, which I ask them about, don't know about when **** hits the fan... I guess I've built that wall from them...

    For instance (no names), I know someone with his/her concealed carry and he told me he can't hit a target past 30 feet and the only reason he carry's is to make his parents happy...

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    That someone you know terrifies me. Take him to the range, NOW! Get him started w/ 22's and work up to his carry calibur. If he can't hit a 2 inch group @ 30 feet after about 500 rounds discourage him from carrying and have him lie to his parents.

    I recommend a Browning Buckmark 22/45, or Ruger Mark III 22/45. Very accurate, same grip/weight as a 1911.
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    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I'm not arguing for more carry, I'm never going to accept the ideas of people who don't know much about weaponry as far as where my rights should be. I think any tactics which use the deaths of innocents to advance an agenda is repugnant and really should be re-evaluated as arguments if all that can be used is raw in the moment emotion. I am concerned about the victims and their families.
    Any sensible poster (such as yourself) would agree. It's not a good argument, but, there are hyper partisans who will use this to push their beliefs and agenda without regard for victims and their families. That wasn't targeting all members of the political spectrums, just the hyper partisans (which I neglected to specify).
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