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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Really - no one wins from this situation. Conservatives get a stronger "carry" argument, Liberals get a stronger "more gun regulation" argument, and 14 people are dead. Lose, lose, lose.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    good point-the government should not execute the guy. rather the families of the dead children should be given the following

    2 hours access to this guy

    several crowbars, blowtorches and car batteries with jumper cables

    full gubernatorial pardons for all and anything they do during that 2 hour period
    I've always thought victims families should be able to determine sentences, subject to approval by the jury that convicted.

    Probably wouldn't result in kids losing their hands for shoplifting, but could generate some creative punishments for jackasses like this one.

    Might even be an actual deterrent if people understood that they might be drawn and quartered or burned alive.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    All that will happen is a spike in gun sales.
    You sure? Because my state tends to respond to these tragedies with restrictions on > 10 round magazines, adjustable stocks on guns w/ 16" barrels or less, guns without internal safeties, etc...

    Gun sales tend to spike AFTER these attacks on the 2A
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    Really - no one wins from this situation. Conservatives get a stronger "carry" argument, Liberals get a stronger "more gun regulation" argument, and 14 people are dead. Lose, lose, lose.
    Not so true for the circumstantial situation. Think about it, I can't shoot straight with tear gas in my eyes... Should I be doing this near or around other people, never mind 100s?

    Again, I think that our current system is good on ownership of guns...
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    All that will happen is a spike in gun sales.
    And a ban on wearing costumes to movies too.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    I just want to say, that I even thought I would be all anti-2nd amendment because of this but I'm not... I just think that had we had other procedures in place IE keeping the emergency exits AN EMERGENCY things wouldn't of gone so south. I mean, as many of you like to point out, I am in college and I still remember when if you opened a emergency exit in a movie theater the screened tv warned you that an alarm would sound. Why would the safety feature be removed? I mean you can't remove those on planes, why does it suddenly become okay to do so in a movie theater?
    yeah I was thinking the same thing-no way that guy just walked back into the theater wearing a helmet carrying two big conspicuous ominous looking weapons. So he apparently snuck out the emergency exit. First of all that should have been alarmed or else joe cheapskate will open that door up after buying ONE ticket and letting his 15 fraternity buddies all sneak in for free (I was a college kid once-I know the score)

    secondly if the door was propped open so he could get back in, the alarm should have been going full psycho by then with security being called because that would often signal a fire.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Not so true for the circumstantial situation. Think about it, I can't shoot straight with tear gas in my eyes... Should I be doing this near or around other people, never mind 100s?

    Again, I think that our current system is good on ownership of guns...
    In the spirit of debate, someone could have shot him before the gas really effected the whole crowd.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    I've always thought victims families should be able to determine sentences, subject to approval by the jury that convicted.

    Probably wouldn't result in kids losing their hands for shoplifting, but could generate some creative punishments for jackasses like this one.

    Might even be an actual deterrent if people understood that they might be drawn and quartered or burned alive.
    If the most creative term for this person you can come up with is "jackasses", I don't think I want you sentencing the worst of our criminals... BTW, punishment has proven not to be a deterrent.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    In the spirit of debate, someone could have shot him before the gas really effected the whole crowd.
    True, but given circumstances they thought at first he was apart of the thing (Not to mention body armor)
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    And a ban on wearing costumes to movies too.
    I think that is silly depending on the costume. sort of hard to conceal an automatic rifle in a unitard or a cat woman bodysuit

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