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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No one is saying that. What we are advocating, is that we hope that if we saw a chance to make a difference, that we would have the guts to go for it. We hope that our first instinct won't be to hide and hope that we're not one of the ones that gets killed.
    I 100% agree with this idea. But I'm pragmatic to a fault. I'm not gonna risk it, unless I think I have SOME chance for success...and honestly, it would take a pretty darn kung foo killer, in this situation, some sort of cyborg killing specialist, to have been ANY kind of affective in this situation.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

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    Good on her. As an M&P Pro owner and lover, I'm jealous.

    I don't know about the Caspian Kit. Now I'm going to go look it up.
    many years ago if you wanted a full house 1911 you had one option-buy a colt and send it off to someone like Armand Swenson and 800+ dollars. Then the options increased-you could buy a colt or the brazilian made Springfield and send it off to Bill wilson, Richard Heine, Steve Nastoff, or Ed Brown. then caspian came along and they offered frames that already had the beavertail safety cut, slides that had been milled out for the BOMAR sights etc. so lots of custom smiths bought those kits and could provide a shooter with a "full house" gun at half the price

    I remember talking to Fred Craig 22 years ago-he said I could send him a colt an 1000 Dollars and he would build me a world class "limited" gun or I could send him 1000 dollars and I'd get a caspian full house gun. I asked him why some much cheaper

    No four hours to mill out the slide
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    9 Hours at 50 an hour= the cost of a Colt stock pistol back then

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    I 100% agree with this idea. But I'm pragmatic to a fault. I'm not gonna risk it, unless I think I have SOME chance for success...and honestly, it would take a pretty darn kung foo killer, in this situation, some sort of cyborg killing specialist, to have been ANY kind of affective in this situation.
    Who are you to risk other's lives? I mean how do you ultimately know that by sacrificing yourself you don't save the 12 killed? I just don't get this logic. How are you higher than anyone else in that vicinity? I know you don't think of yourself like that, but when it comes to life or death I think others are more important than myself. If everyone thought of a crisis like that, I'm sure people would re consider...

    And when I ask those retorical questions I mean that in the most philosophical way and I imply nothing with them...
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    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    The moment I heard this news on NPR this morning, I just KNEW this was gonna result in yet another attack on the 2nd amendment.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

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    Neither, I imagine, has anyone else on this board. One on one, and your child was in direct danger. VASTLY different choice than, large panicked crowd, maniac with gun, choosing lives of strangers over well being of your child. Of COURSE you chose your child...which is exactly my point. Compared to your child's, all other lives are cheap, even your own. Never argued that...Nor that. But ALL other lives are cheaper than my daughter's. I'll let any number of people die, if it insures the survival of my daughter. So far as I know, God is the only one ****ed up enough to sacrifice a child for others.
    I did not explain the circumstances of my choices--and don't intend to--but I was referring to separate incidents.

    I can't say that I would choose my child's life over the life of another. It would depend on the unique situation. I can say that I understand the consequences in a way I am certain you do not.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    The moment I heard this news on NPR this morning, I just KNEW this was gonna result in yet another attack on the 2nd amendment.
    All that will happen is a spike in gun sales.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

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    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post

    I did not explain the circumstances of my choices--and don't intend to--but I was referring to separate incidents.

    I can't say that I would choose my child's life over the life of another. It would depend on the unique situation. I can say that I understand the consequences in a way I am certain you do not.
    Absolutely. I've never been forced into such a ****ty choice...let one die to save another. I hope I never have to.

    But I imagine that when the times comes, if it comes down to a stranger's life, or my daughters...Grace Kohler has the CLEAR edge.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    All that will happen is a spike in gun sales.
    If it looks like Obama might win guns will fly off the shelves. It happened in 2008 though most of us who understood things figured Obama was smart enough to remember 1994 and then there was the Heller decision. But an Obama who doesn't worry about re-election might be more prone to fulfill the promises he made to get the endorsements of all the anti gun groups in 2008

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Furiounova View Post
    Well let's take his mindset and place it in the Revolutionary War. Or the Civil War. how's that working now?
    What the hell are you saying? You want to flesh that out for me?

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    I just want to say, that I even thought I would be all anti-2nd amendment because of this but I'm not... I just think that had we had other procedures in place IE keeping the emergency exits AN EMERGENCY things wouldn't of gone so south. I mean, as many of you like to point out, I am in college and I still remember when if you opened a emergency exit in a movie theater the screened tv warned you that an alarm would sound. Why would the safety feature be removed? I mean you can't remove those on planes, why does it suddenly become okay to do so in a movie theater?
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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