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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You're right. That is the best way to keep from getting hit. Would it be the best way to help? Eh...not so much.
    Just had to respond to this, as Dr. Martin Luther King once said that the difference between a good samaritan and a regular person is that when the two are confronted with another person in potential harm that the good samaritan asks, "What will happen to this person if I do nothing?", and the regular citizen asks, "What will happen to me if I do something?"
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

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    I've never been in a theater in which a maniac set off a smoke bomb and opened fire.
    Neither, I imagine, has anyone else on this board.
    But I have had to face the barrel of a gun, and I have had to make life/death choices that could have resulted in my own death versus the life of my child.
    One on one, and your child was in direct danger. VASTLY different choice than, large panicked crowd, maniac with gun, choosing lives of strangers over well being of your child.
    I chose my child and got lucky...
    Of COURSE you chose your child...which is exactly my point. Compared to your child's, all other lives are cheap, even your own.
    but my points are (1) that some folks do know what their own instincts are, and
    Never argued that...
    (2) even more don't agree with you that other people's lives are cheaper, necessarily, than one's own.
    Nor that. But ALL other lives are cheaper than my daughter's. I'll let any number of people die, if it insures the survival of my daughter. So far as I know, God is the only one ****ed up enough to sacrifice a child for others.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    And what of the highly LIKELY chance, in this situation, to die without saving a single soul, without really altering the outcome in any way at all, lol?


    You folks all seem to think you're Jason Born, lol.

    I agree with the sentiment, here, I really do. You lead by example. But throwing your life away on a gambit is not exactly a good example to leave. This was, simply put, a nightmare, worst case scenario at it's best. A room full of marines wouldn't have made much difference, let alone me with a glock. Kid was wearing body armor. Hell, years back, there were two guys that robbed a bank in body armor and assualt rifles in LA, in broad daylight, with HUNDREDS of cops all around shooting at them...and they took hours to bring down, and many wounded officers.

    I'm not asking you to be cowards, I'm simply saying, think rationally for a second.
    No one is saying that. What we are advocating, is that we hope that if we saw a chance to make a difference, that we would have the guts to go for it. We hope that our first instinct won't be to hide and hope that we're not one of the ones that gets killed.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    Wouldn't it be cheaper to just have everyone wear bulletproof vests and helmets at theaters? Yes, get that visual.
    the body armor most of us can buy won't stop a 5.56 SS109 bullet out of an AR. a shotgun blast aimed at your knee-thigh area is going to kill you at close range rather quickly too

    btw a "cut on contact" arrow broad head shot out of a 60 pound compound bow (average deer hunter's weight) or a similar 150 cross bow is gonna rip right through most SPECTRA vests. so will a spear gun or an icepick

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the body armor most of us can buy won't stop a 5.56 SS109 bullet out of an AR. a shotgun blast aimed at your knee-thigh area is going to kill you at close range rather quickly too

    btw a "cut on contact" arrow broad head shot out of a 60 pound compound bow (average deer hunter's weight) or a similar 150 cross bow is gonna rip right through most SPECTRA vests. so will a spear gun or an icepick
    Who the **** has an AR or shotgun at a movie theatre? Let alone a cross bow or a spear gun.
    Ted Cruz is the dumbest person alive.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No one is saying that. What we are advocating, is that we hope that if we saw a chance to make a difference, that we would have the guts to go for it. We hope that our first instinct won't be to hide and hope that we're not one of the ones that gets killed.
    I think it is such a hard thing to gauge, especially with the confusion involved in this thing. I mean crowds react as a being not as individual minds...
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
    -Jryan

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    My first instinct would be to wait for a clear shot vice wasting my ammo, firing wildly at a target that I can't see. Again, that's just the way I think.
    So now do this. It's pretty dark out...so, go to your TV room, sit close to it to imitate a large movie theater screen, kill the lights, and watch that TV for, say, 5 minutes like this. Now, turn away from the TV, and time yourself on how long it takes your eyes to adjust.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Who the **** has an AR or shotgun at a movie theatre? Let alone a cross bow or a spear gun.
    well some nutcase who will hopefully die from prolonged buggery had two of those things in a movie theater

    how he was able to sneak two large long arms into a theater is beyond me-he apparently went out the emergency exist (which should be monitored and ALARMED) and then came back in that way

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    yeah I was offered the slot at the range where we shoot-it was mainly for employees but I help a lot around there but I had to attend our office yearly "law camp" and to meet my Ohio Bar CLE requirements so the wife went and got a 100 percent on the test. When she gets her credentials she gets to buy a SW MP Pro for cost which is about 200 bucks. we have a bunch of those SW M&P autos and its my primary "Car gun" and I often carry the compact version so her knowing how to fix one is a good skill. She now wants to become a Glock armorer and an AR 15 armorer. I am one for 1911's-we had to build one from scratch and get it to shoot 10 magazines without a jam many years ago. The one I built I sold to a guy for what the parts cost plus some and I saw him about 6 months ago and he said its still running really well (Caspian Kit)
    Good on her. As an M&P Pro owner and lover, I'm jealous.

    I don't know about the Caspian Kit. Now I'm going to go look it up.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    well some nutcase who will hopefully die from prolonged buggery had two of those things in a movie theater

    how he was able to sneak two large long arms into a theater is beyond me-he apparently went out the emergency exist (which should be monitored and ALARMED) and then came back in that way
    Yeah, I mean emergency exits shouldn't be used for anything else... That, may be, the real tragedy here...
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
    -Jryan

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