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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the more you train the more likely your training will kick in in an emergency. that's why people who ambush Green Berets or Army Rangers tend to take far higher casualties than those who ambush supply convoys or engineering battalions
    While I don't disagree, the average citizen - at a Batman premiere nonetheless - isn't trained like a Green Beret or Ranger.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    IOW, "I get to use a damn gun and kill somone! Woo!"
    "I'm going to do nothing. I don't care who dies, as long as it's not me".
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    If you're dead anyway might as well try to get others out, it's not being a hero, it's just that other options suck much worse.
    I'm still trying to find out why the options "suck worse" when they get the majority of people out alive. What I'm seeing in your posts and the other "it's about having a gun" people on this forum is this dichotomy of "die or shoot someone." That's an incredibly false dichotomy.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    "I'm going to do nothing. I don't care who dies, as long as it's not me".
    Actually, not much thought process involved. It's more like "instinct, no thinking at all."

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    All you gun loving, tobacco chewing, pickup truck driving, deer killing, creationist, anti global warming Bubbas who howl and scream every time someone wants to make sensible gun laws are responsible for this. Nice job. How many people have to die before you give up your right to buy a big gun to compensate for your small whacker?

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    The majority of people didn't shoot back, tried to escape and escaped. Anybody saying that shooting him would have had a positive effect is basing their argument on pure speculation and wishful thinking that their position on guns would have been the answer the here. Moreover, if his intention was to have a few survivors as possible, then pointing a gun at him wouldn't change that intention and would likely just make you a bigger target.
    Anybody saying that shooting him would make things worse is speculating even more.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    IOW, "I get to use a damn gun and kill somone! Woo!"
    The last thing I want to do in life is take another human being's. To do so is against my own moral code, my religion, and who I am in general. That said some people take that decision out of the hands of the individual by causing situations that put eveyone else or said individual at risk, if it's a choice between living with the taking of an assailant's life, losing my own, or allowing an innocent to die by doing nothing I will live with taking the assailant's life.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Oh Jesus Christ, we're talking about instincts (aka the fight or flight response). Until you figure that out, keep your condescending "maybe almost everybody thought of themselves" nonsense out of my face. Is it really that simple for people? Do you people really think that situations like this are a matter of the selfish and the noble. Jesus Christ, use some common sense and do some research.

    And, by the way, I did hear about those who tried or did help others? Several of them did their best until their survival instincts kicked in and they ran away. I won't hold it against them and accuse them of "only thinking of themselves," since, you know, they were in a pretty tough situation that it's easy to judge when you're not in it.
    My, aren't you a hostile, defensive little camper. I wasn't being condescending; I was simply observing that no matter what the fight-or-flight crisis is, a few will act unselfishly. Sorry you have a problem with that POV. Very, in fact.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by AtlantaAdonis View Post
    All you gun loving, tobacco chewing, pickup truck driving, deer killing, creationist, anti global warming Bubbas who howl and scream every time someone wants to make sensible gun laws are responsible for this. Nice job. How many people have to die before you give up your right to buy a big gun to compensate for your small whacker?
    Why the bigotry?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    While I don't disagree, the average citizen - at a Batman premiere nonetheless - isn't trained like a Green Beret or Ranger.
    true but there are lots of us who have more training in the use of weapons than Police Officers

    we also obey gun free zone signs too

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