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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I suppose it's possible that some serious bruising would have slowed him down. Or made him even crazier.
    It's a hell of a lot more than, "serious brusing". It hurts like a mo-fo. After a few hits, it may slow him down enough for him to be subdued, or he may retreat, or surrender.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    How do we know they weren't carrying concealed? I haven't seen anything credible where anyone said "Golly, I had a bead on the guy but I just didn't have a weapon." The dude was wearing body armor. That makes making the shot far more difficult.

    The idea that concealed carry would have saved lives in this situation is based on wishful thinking rather than evidence. Ft Hood was at place where access to firearms shouldn't be much of a problem, but there were similar numbers of casualties there. Even when shots were exchanged in that situation, by trained military, the problem wasn't solved right away.
    That is terrible logic. I suggest that had the return fire at Ft Hood taken another 3 minutes, there are twice as many casualties. No one has claimed that the Batman shooter would have not caused damage. Just not as much.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    How do we know they weren't carrying concealed? I haven't seen anything credible where anyone said "Golly, I had a bead on the guy but I just didn't have a weapon." The dude was wearing body armor. That makes making the shot far more difficult.

    The idea that concealed carry would have saved lives in this situation is based on wishful thinking rather than evidence. Ft Hood was at place where access to firearms shouldn't be much of a problem, but there were similar numbers of casualties there. Even when shots were exchanged in that situation, by trained military, the problem wasn't solved right away.
    The thing is Tuck, and what is more concerning than anything is that the criminal had the advantage, the innocents had the intention of watching the movie and he had the intention of harming the innocents but only the killer knew what he was going to do. While it is certainly true that he had the tactical advantage he could have been slowed or stopped by armed civilian, no guarantees on that of course.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I really do disagree with you here. This guy got off at least 71 deliberate shots. His weapon apparently wasn't firing on automatic. My common sense tells me that people who conceal carry are probably better than average shots and carry a weapon because they subliminally or overtly plan to use it if they have to.

    As another poster mentioned, if this guy had quickly found he was taking gun fire, he wouldn't have been casually walking up and down the aisles firing at people. Even with body armor, I "think" a couple rounds to the chest is going to take ya' down. (I don't know that for sure, though.)
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Largest zone, easiest target, most vital organs. For a leg, arm shot you must rely on either an artery hit or massive damage leading to a bleedout, same with an arm shot(though better chance of rendering the limb useless for further attacks. Head shots are very difficult for even trained shooters, however a direct center mass double or triple tap ups the odds.
    Not from 10-15 feet. Not to slow him down. Maybe put him on the floor. His vision and awareness are compromised by the smoke and the mask. You could pop 4-5 rounds close range before he even knew where they came from.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's a hell of a lot more than, "serious brusing". It hurts like a mo-fo. After a few hits, it may slow him down enough for him to be subdued, or he may retreat, or surrender.
    Serious bruising hurts. Of course how serious would depend on the type of armor, caliber of the weapon, and the type of load.

    Honestly, though, I think that most of the cowboys suggesting this resistance would think twice about taking potshots at a guy in head-to-toe body armor popping off rounds with an AR-15.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I heard the same thing. Also heard (radio news) that he'd asked everybody to call him The Joker starting a week or so ago. If I understand it correctly, The Joker's "plan" was to get caught. Which is exactly what he let happen to himself. No resistance when the coppers showed up.

    He also had an audio system in his apartment set to start playing super loud music and banging noises at about the same time he was shooting up the theater. They postulate that he expected someone in the apartment building to call the police, and that the police would break down the door...setting off his elaborate booby-traps killing them. (Someone did call the cops, btw.)

    This guy was sane enough to come up with a very exacting plan...
    I have a feeling he will go for the insanity defense, and based on his actions might get it, I hope it's not accepted as I am frankly sickened by this indiscriminate disregard for human life.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    How do we know they weren't carrying concealed? I haven't seen anything credible where anyone said "Golly, I had a bead on the guy but I just didn't have a weapon." The dude was wearing body armor. That makes making the shot far more difficult.
    It wouldn't make the shot more difficult. It would mean that you probably wouldn't kill him, however you could still make him stop shooting.

    The idea that concealed carry would have saved lives in this situation is based on wishful thinking rather than evidence. Ft Hood was at place where access to firearms shouldn't be much of a problem, but there were similar numbers of casualties there. Even when shots were exchanged in that situation, by trained military, the problem wasn't solved right away.
    Except for MP's and a few other exceptions, it's against regulations for a soldier to carry a loaded weapon, on post. The scenario at Fort Hood purdy much guaranteed that everyone was unarmed.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I really do disagree with you here. This guy got off at least 71 deliberate shots. His weapon apparently wasn't firing on automatic. My common sense tells me that people who conceal carry are probably better than average shots and carry a weapon because they subliminally or overtly plan to use it if they have to.
    My common sense tells me that most people with CC permits have never really been under fire before.

    As another poster mentioned, if this guy had quickly found he was taking gun fire, he wouldn't have been casually walking up and down the aisles firing at people. Even with body armor, I "think" a couple rounds to the chest is going to take ya' down. (I don't know that for sure, though.)
    With these types of killers, they don't really care. Again, I'll cite Ft Hood. He was able to take out one of the people firing back at him.
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