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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You can shoot someone who is wearing body armor with a .22 and it's going to hurt like hell.

    My wife carries five shot .41 magnum in her purse. Two, or three hits with that and this clown would have been slobbering on the floor begging someone to arrest him, before he got his stupid ass shot again.
    I suppose it's possible that some serious bruising would have slowed him down. Or made him even crazier.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Tell me turtle. Why do they teach to shoot for center mass?

    Adam's comment is an exaggeration of how difficult it'd be. Your implication exaggerates how simple it would be
    How did I exaggerate?

    As I understand it, it's damned hard to hit someone at any distance with a handgun in an actual shoot-out situation, even without all of the craziness going on here. It's not uncommon for guys to empty their guns at each other without hitting a damned thing.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    He had on a ballistic helmet, ballistic throat protection, ballistic groin protection. This guy was the $6 million man. Well....then there's inflation.
    Not all vests are equal, but most torso vests have weak spots around the kidney area, unless this guy was in ballistic class IV or above he wasn't indestructible.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Which has nothing to do with what I said.
    How do we know they weren't carrying concealed? I haven't seen anything credible where anyone said "Golly, I had a bead on the guy but I just didn't have a weapon." The dude was wearing body armor. That makes making the shot far more difficult.

    The idea that concealed carry would have saved lives in this situation is based on wishful thinking rather than evidence. Ft Hood was at place where access to firearms shouldn't be much of a problem, but there were similar numbers of casualties there. Even when shots were exchanged in that situation, by trained military, the problem wasn't solved right away.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    No, I don't know much about it -- hence the question mark. But I do know that he was wearing a helmet and a throat protector.

    What would you say the chances are of an above-average marksman using a concealable weapon hitting the guy in the groin or face from significant distance in a dark theater filled with smoke ... or tear gas? ... while everyone around them is scrambling for cover and screaming bloody murder ... while taking fire from an AR-15?
    The bad guy's accuracy will be greatly comprimised once he figures out that he's taking fire.

    The objective is to stop him, not neccessarily to kill him. If simply returning fire will cause him to stop firing, then your mission has been accomplished.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Tell me turtle. Why do they teach to shoot for center mass?

    Adam's comment is an exaggeration of how difficult it'd be. Your implication exaggerates how simple it would be
    The movie was running, meaning there was illumination. The shooter did not have night vision. I believe that the flak-jacket would have been quite apparent, along with the helmet. There is still a lot of exposed flesh.

    One shot in a leg or arm, and he is slowed down. Cops were outside for crowd control. Might hav cut total casualties by half. The assertion was that someone with a handgun shooting back would have only increased the casualties. That is laughable

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Tell me turtle. Why do they teach to shoot for center mass?
    Largest zone, easiest target, most vital organs. For a leg, arm shot you must rely on either an artery hit or massive damage leading to a bleedout, same with an arm shot(though better chance of rendering the limb useless for further attacks.) Head shots are very difficult for even trained shooters, however a direct center mass double or triple tap ups the odds.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    ABC is in **** up to their ears as of now, and rightfully so. There's simply no valid reason as to why political leans should even be brought up in a case such as this, especially when details are scarce.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    How do we know they weren't carrying concealed? I haven't seen anything credible where anyone said "Golly, I had a bead on the guy but I just didn't have a weapon." The dude was wearing body armor. That makes making the shot far more difficult.

    The idea that concealed carry would have saved lives in this situation is based on wishful thinking rather than evidence. Ft Hood was at place where access to firearms shouldn't be much of a problem, but there were similar numbers of casualties there. Even when shots were exchanged in that situation, by trained military, the problem wasn't solved right away.
    I really do disagree with you here. This guy got off at least 71 deliberate shots. His weapon apparently wasn't firing on automatic. My common sense tells me that people who conceal carry are probably better than average shots and carry a weapon because they subliminally or overtly plan to use it if they have to.

    As another poster mentioned, if this guy had quickly found he was taking gun fire, he wouldn't have been casually walking up and down the aisles firing at people. Even with body armor, I "think" a couple rounds to the chest is going to take ya' down. (I don't know that for sure, though.)
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I heard the same thing. Also heard (radio news) that he'd asked everybody to call him The Joker starting a week or so ago. If I understand it correctly, The Joker's "plan" was to get caught. Which is exactly what he let happen to himself. No resistance when the coppers showed up.

    He also had an audio system in his apartment set to start playing super loud music and banging noises at about the same time he was shooting up the theater. They postulate that he expected someone in the apartment building to call the police, and that the police would break down the door...setting off his elaborate booby-traps killing them. (Someone did call the cops, btw.)

    This guy was sane enough to come up with a very exacting plan...
    I sometimes find the legal definition of insanity frustrating. Anybody who could do this is is obviously bat-guana crazy...but is/was he "insane"?
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