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Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

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its too bad we, as a society, cannot trade all those innocent young people for some of those turds at MSNBC

Yes, those innocents paid the ultimate price for a society with our particular freedoms. Unfortunately for you, the folks at MSNBC has nothing to do with it.
 
If everyone had a handgun and no training-a real disaster

if a dozen people had training and handguns-less dead innocents

if other places that had suffered massacres had not been gun free zones, I suspect the guy might not have tried it since a lot of those massacres would have been prevented by armed citizens early in the shooting

the only good news is that maybe we will learn why the theater's Emergency exit was a sieve and that a guy like this is probably going to rot in solitary or be in diapers within a year of his sentencing

Right, but why our system works is because it divides the sane/insane from skilled marksmanship I think...

Solitary should be outlawed, in the fullest extent...
 
Yes, those innocents paid the ultimate price for a society with our particular freedoms. Unfortunately for you, the folks at MSNBC has nothing to do with it.

that really is not responsive

our freedoms had nothing to do with this

its a sick whacko who killed people and btw it is highly illegal to even obtain explosives let alone booby trap your apartment

so you can pretend that the freedom to own guns caused this as you have inanely claimed in the past but that is just plain stupid.

that this place was a gun free zone is the only law that is really relevant-I doubt this guy would have picked a place where people were more likely to be armed
 
Right, but why our system works is because it divides the sane/insane from skilled marksmanship I think...

Solitary should be outlawed, in the fullest extent...

works for me-I hope he is in with the general prison population. that would be better punishment than being put to sleep
 
its too bad we, as a society, cannot trade all those innocent young people for some of those turds at MSNBC


Yep. I sent a pro gun tweet to them. Let's see if they show mine on there.
 
I think I agree but you had no chance with him fully clothed in body armor... (Obviously with you it was a "I know "headshot" or nothing")

I sort of thought of the scenario today of EVERYONE having a handgun... That would, I think, stir more confusion and is why I think that our current system works :D. Yay for fully converting a liberal junkie :D...

But on the anti-gun side, if even one had a handgun it would of stirred enough confusion to cause even more chaos...
Unless someone is using level 6 armor there are always gaps, levels I and II are typicall for handguns, II having the better chance of stopping > .40 cal. IIA to IIIA offers much more protection and gets into smaller rifles and shotguns. IV and V get into full urban and warzone assault and are designed to stop rifle fire, shotguns and will protect up to a larger degree but all of those are pieced together with gaps in between, effective unless you end up in close quarters such as shot down with no backup where a person can close the distance to get to the gap. The real problem comes with level VI body armor which is multilayered, steel, full helmet with few to no uncovered areas, typically this is large round and ornance protection.
 
If everyone had a handgun and no training-a real disaster

if a dozen people had training and handguns-less dead innocents

if other places that had suffered massacres had not been gun free zones, I suspect the guy might not have tried it since a lot of those massacres would have been prevented by armed citizens early in the shooting

the only good news is that maybe we will learn why the theater's Emergency exit was a sieve and that a guy like this is probably going to rot in solitary or be in diapers within a year of his sentencing

even with training you cant say for certain that shooting back could of improved the situation. Dark cinema, gas flying around, people running screaming etc even a trained shooter could of hit an innocent and with several guns going off how would you know for sure who to shoot. In the army I saw some of the best marksmen miss the target under pressure situations, with the sun beating down on you, dust, sand, smoke and people running/screaming sometimes the worst thing you could do was to start shooting.
 
Unless someone is using level 6 armor there are always gaps, levels I and II are typicall for handguns, II having the better chance of stopping > .40 cal. IIA to IIIA offers much more protection and gets into smaller rifles and shotguns. IV and V get into full urban and warzone assault and are designed to stop rifle fire, shotguns and will protect up to a larger degree but all of those are pieced together with gaps in between, effective unless you end up in close quarters such as shot down with no backup where a person can close the distance to get to the gap. The real problem comes with level VI body armor which is multilayered, steel, full helmet with few to no uncovered areas, typically this is large round and ornance protection.

Do people have access to this stuff? I mean I really hope not level VI... Please god say they don't...
 
Wow, really? You are for rating people for worth? WTF Turtle?


in this case yes-people who blame the NRA or our constitution for this massacre are real sick losers.
 
even with training you cant say for certain that shooting back could of improved the situation. Dark cinema, gas flying around, people running screaming etc even a trained shooter could of hit an innocent and with several guns going off how would you know for sure who to shoot. In the army I saw some of the best marksmen miss the target under pressure situations, with the sun beating down on you, dust, sand, smoke and people running/screaming sometimes the worst thing you could do was to start shooting.

the future is unwritten so you should exercise your rights
 
in this case yes-people who blame the NRA or our constitution for this massacre are real sick losers.

How does criticizing a agency make someone a loser? You aren't making sense... Take a look at FNC and their republican party...
 
Do people have access to this stuff? I mean I really hope not level VI... Please god say they don't...
Civilians aren't supposed to own anything greater than level IV and even that is iffy in a lot of places. There really is no legitimate reason to own the highest levels outside of riot control and explosives disposal, it's extremely expensive, and from what I understand incredibly uncomfortable. I know I'd red flag anyone who bought it.
 
Civilians aren't supposed to own anything greater than level IV and even that is iffy in a lot of places. There really is no legitimate reason to own the highest levels outside of riot control and explosives disposal, it's extremely expensive, and from what I understand incredibly uncomfortable. I know I'd red flag anyone who bought it.

DO people get red flagged for it? I have no idea and google is proving unfruitful... (I might be redflagged for asking lol IDK)
 
Yes, those innocents paid the ultimate price for a society with our particular freedoms. Unfortunately for you, the folks at MSNBC has nothing to do with it.

Please...tell us which of our "freedoms" allowed for this to happen.

Is there a constitutional right to murder people utilizing a gun that I somehow missed?
 
Do people have access to this stuff? I mean I really hope not level VI... Please god say they don't...

sure but its real expensive-really heavy etc

a basic IIA or III vest is about 300 dollars

a Level IV is up in the 1000 range especially with ceramic trauma plates

I have a vest that will stop up to 44Mag in my bedroom. it has a flashlight, a weapon and spare mags on it. IF the alarm goes off my wife gets behind the bed with her shotgun, my son locks his door upstairs and gets behind his bed with his pistol covering the door and I cover our bedroom door with the glock from the heavy oaken dresser to put any one coming from the door into a crossfire If I have to go out into the house, I have the vest on, with a M4 rifle with a night vision scope and the pistol on the vest. but the way my son is trained I shouldn't have to leave our bedroom because he is going to be safe upstairs and he knows if someone comes through that door without me saying all clear he's to start shooting at whatever comes through the door
 
DO people get red flagged for it? I have no idea and google is proving unfruitful... (I might be redflagged for asking lol IDK)
It's illegal to sell it, I don't think there is a real way to flag for owning it, but I know I'd report someone for it just for the fact that you'd have to be nuts to spend that kind of money for bulky and frankly oppressively heavy protection. If someone is just crazy that's fine, but if they are buying it to even potentially cause a catastrophe and I let it go I couldn't live with myself.
 
Yes, those innocents paid the ultimate price for a society with our particular freedoms. Unfortunately for you, the folks at MSNBC has nothing to do with it.

Look, this guy is a nutter. This kind of person is determined to slaughter as many people as possible and for no reason. If he had known he would not have succeeded getting guns in the theater he would have picked another method or another venue. He would have cut the brakes on a tour bus or tossed a homemade bomb down the isle of place of worship. Freedom of movement might stop some rat bastard like the guy in Aurora, but to suggest that banning guns or the like would prevent ****heads hell bent on killing people is simply not correct. Are you suggesting the government consider restricting freedom of movement?
 
sure but its real expensive-really heavy etc

a basic IIA or III vest is about 300 dollars

a Level IV is up in the 1000 range especially with ceramic trauma plates

I have a vest that will stop up to 44Mag in my bedroom. it has a flashlight, a weapon and spare mags on it. IF the alarm goes off my wife gets behind the bed with her shotgun, my son locks his door upstairs and gets behind his bed with his pistol covering the door and I cover our bedroom door with the glock from the heavy oaken dresser to put any one coming from the door into a crossfire If I have to go out into the house, I have the vest on, with a M4 rifle with a night vision scope and the pistol on the vest. but the way my son is trained I shouldn't have to leave our bedroom because he is going to be safe upstairs and he knows if someone comes through that door without me saying all clear he's to start shooting at whatever comes through the door
Hmmm. I was wrong on that, I thought I remembered the highest two levels being banned by federal law. I know there is no good reason to own them due to the expense and discomfort.
 
It's illegal to sell it, I don't think there is a real way to flag for owning it, but I know I'd report someone for it just for the fact that you'd have to be nuts to spend that kind of money for bulky and frankly oppressively heavy protection. If someone is just crazy that's fine, but if they are buying it to even potentially cause a catastrophe and I let it go I couldn't live with myself.

Yeah, I think I'll be on the safe side and just report someone either way... I don't think I can take a chance with that sort of thing now... non-emergency PD number is for the win...
 
Have to admit though I find it interesting that people are going after guns rather than the violent society we live in! In films like Batman dont we glorify bad guys who kill innocent people? Dont get me wrong Im not blaming the Batman films but we do live in a violent society with video games, films and TV all adding to it.
 
Please...tell us which of our "freedoms" allowed for this to happen.

Is there a constitutional right to murder people utilizing a gun that I somehow missed?
Is there a Constitutional right to own an AK-47?
 
Look, this guy is a nutter. This kind of person is determined to slaughter as many people as possible and for no reason. If he had known he would not have succeeded getting guns in the theater he would have picked another method or another venue. He would have cut the brakes on a tour bus or tossed a homemade bomb down the isle of place of worship. Freedom of movement might stop some rat bastard like the guy in Aurora, but to suggest that banning guns or the like would prevent ****heads hell bent on killing people is simply not correct. Are you suggesting the government consider restricting freedom of movement?

Then why did he inform police of explosives?

Personalty I think he did it because he was expecting his loud music to explode causing a distraction and by his shooting he could claim the ULTIMATE confusion. (What I heard on ABC)
 
Have to admit though I find it interesting that people are going after guns rather than the violent society we live in! In films like Batman dont we glorify bad guys who kill innocent people? Dont get me wrong Im not blaming the Batman films but we do live in a violent society with video games, films and TV all adding to it.
Interestingly, it wasn't as much of a problem when families watched together and parents took the time to explain to their children that it was not real, and that there are lots of consequences to real violence.
 
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