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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    There is no such thing as an assault weapon, it was a legal term created by people associated with the anti-2nd movement. Your firearms come in the varieties of: Handgun, shotgun, rifle, assault rifle, sub-machine gun, and machine gun. People not knowledged in weapons or firearms do not get to create terms, no matter how smart they think they are.
    Nineteen guns all described as semi-automatic firearms. That might leave a lot of room for variety but they all seem to have one thing in common enough to call them an "assault weapon".

    "...they can eject spent shell casings and chamber the next bullet without human action, but (as opposed to automatic firearms) only one round is fired per pull of the trigger."


    The difference between an assault rifle and a rifle you ask? Assault rifles have a selector switch, they can be used in semi-automatic, burst fire, and some fully automatic but every single assault rifle has select fire capability. Semi-automatic rifles may have similar characteristics such as shortened barrels, pistol grips, folding stocks, and other cosmetic appearances which do not effect the performance of the gun or the efficiency of delivery but somehow they are magically "assault weapons" because some jackass with no credibility says they are. Now, a word to the wise about wikipedia on this topic, that they want to define cosmetic firearms as "assault weapons" is irrelevant, it is an open code source, so basically if enough people actually think that "assault weapon" is proper terminology then of course it will have a page, frankly they do a disservice to the subject by even letting that term survive with any credibility.
    Yes, I understand there is a difference between an assault weapon and an assault rifle. It was the very first thing the Wiki article said.....

    "Not to be confused with assault rifle, FGM-172 SRAW, M202 FLASH, or Shoulder-launched Multipurpose Assault Weapon."

    Assault weapon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Nineteen guns all described as semi-automatic firearms. That might leave a lot of room for variety but they all seem to have one thing in common enough to call them an "assault weapon".

    "...they can eject spent shell casings and chamber the next bullet without human action, but (as opposed to automatic firearms) only one round is fired per pull of the trigger."
    All 19 fall under one of the catagories I spelled out, there is no such thing as an "assault weapon".


    Yes, I understand there is a difference between an assault weapon and an assault rifle. It was the very first thing the Wiki article said.....
    There's a huge difference between an assault rifle and an "assault weapon" the assault rifle exists.

    "Not to be confused with assault rifle, FGM-172 SRAW, M202 FLASH, or Shoulder-launched Multipurpose Assault Weapon."
    A MAW is not a firearm, it's a shoulder fired rocket, not to be confused with the fictitious usage of the term "assault weapon". The MAW does exist, the "assault weapon" does not.

    Did wikipedia describe the action of the "assault weapon" too?
    Last edited by LaMidRighter; 07-24-12 at 04:55 AM.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Nineteen guns all described as semi-automatic firearms. That might leave a lot of room for variety but they all seem to have one thing in common enough to call them an "assault weapon".

    "...they can eject spent shell casings and chamber the next bullet without human action, but (as opposed to automatic firearms) only one round is fired per pull of the trigger."
    Again, that quote just describes a semi-auto weapon. Which the AWB left hundreds of semi-auto weapons legal based on the design of their stock and absence of a bayonet lug.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Okay, time for a little remedial firearms here.

    Handgun - fires a short cartridge; includes revolver, semi-automatic, machine pistol. Action = single shot, semi-automatic, burst fire, full auto.
    Shotgun - fires a load or slug(single projectile designed for shotgun cartridge); includes pump, single shot, automatic, fully automatic(A.A. 12).
    Sub-machine gun - smaller than a rifle, larger than a machine pistol, fires a pistol cartridge.
    Rifle - Bolt action, semi-automatic, burst fire, fully automatic. they have longer barrels , fire intermediate to large cartridge, some older models can fire small .22 ammo. Assault rifles feature a selector switch, can fire semi, burst, and sometimes fully automatic.
    Machine gun - having to do with the feed mechanism; belt, drum, or large capacity magazines typically, fully automatic. usually fire a 7.62 NATO or larger round.

    Assault Weapon - Does not fire ammunition, it cannot because it does not exist. Assault weapons are however compatible with all types of ammunition because apparantly according to people who don't know what the **** they are talking about it pertains to any gun that "looks scary.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Romulus View Post
    As your wiki article notes, it is a term used by anti-gun advocates. As the federal authorities found out, there is no mechanical delineation from an "assault" weapon and a common semi-auto hunting weapon. Manufactures made modest cosmetic adjustments to the design of "assault" weapons to bypass the ban. In other words, "assault" weapons and hunting weapons are the same thing...minus some non-essential cosmetic items. They banned guns, because the gun looked mean...and left guns legal which looked like a nice hunting gun, but functioned the same as an "assault" weapon.

    The AWB was the silliest law ever put on the books.
    The Wiki article also mentioned this...

    "Prominent opponents of assault-weapons bans include the National Rifle Association and Gun Owners of America. Gun-rights groups consider the phrase assault weapon to be a pejorative when used to describe civilian firearms."

    Aren't gun rights advocates just playing semantics since there is a noticable difference between a hand gun and a hunting rifle that don't rapid fire that civilians would use, as compared to an AK 47 or other rapid fire weapons used by the military and/or on battlefields?
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    The Wiki article also mentioned this...

    "Prominent opponents of assault-weapons bans include the National Rifle Association and Gun Owners of America. Gun-rights groups consider the phrase assault weapon to be a pejorative when used to describe civilian firearms."

    Aren't gun rights advocates just playing semantics since there is a noticable difference between a hand gun and a hunting rifle that don't rapid fire and that civilians would use as compared to an AK 47 or other rapid fire weapons used by the military and/or on battlefields?
    People don't like false terms being created to describe weapons. It's a combination of hating the stupidity of the creators of the term and the complete ignorance of the subject it projects.
    Last edited by LaMidRighter; 07-24-12 at 05:13 AM.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

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