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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    ordinary citizens don't face the dangers and have the responsibilities that cops do.
    stop lying--the homicide rate for cops is far lower than for cab drivers and several other professions.

    and the cops don't have any greater right to shoot at someone than you do

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    What are you talking about?! I'm talking about the amount of time it takes to execute a mag change, reacquire your target, then engage. You are talking about the action of shooting. Time on target is the entire argument against these drums. Plain and simple. When a person can look through their sights for 100 round vice 20, its a huge advantage.
    You didn't mention anything other than time on target, I did. It's not that hard to reaquisition with a cool head, the drum magazine is more of a preference than anything and not some kind of advantage that would be on par with a WMD in terms of danger to the populace.

    Depends on the quality of the drum, maintenance, lubrication, etc. Just like any other mag.
    Actually, maintenance to maintenance they are the least efficient mechanism, more prone to failure.

    No, I'm arguing that this particular advantage needs to be banned. Cops can't match it, it has no prac app to the real world, and doesn't affect the rights of a citizen to purchase a firearm. You still didn't answer why M203 grenade launcher attachments shouldn't be legal if this is.
    A mag change is the equivalent of a jam ie it is a stoppage of fire. The aforementioned timeframe of about 5-9 seconds is an eternity when speaking of a stoppage of fire in a tactical situation. That is why we teach "talking guns". Where one crew serve machine gun fires at a faster rate than the other with the other firing slower and picking up the pauses of his partner. When his partner runs out, he picks up the pace of firing until the reload is completed. Then his partner picks up his pace of fire until both are firing again. We drill and drill this so that there is no interruption in suppression. When you have defenseless, panicked people running in the open, that 5-9 seconds allows them enough time to run, unafraid, to the nearest exit. It also allows them to time his mag changes. With a drum, the guy is just meleeing them. Which he did. I'm not saying this definitely would have kept him from killing so many. But it couldn't have hurt. We shouldn't make it easy for him to do this. With a 100 round drum, it is.
    Now that's just off. Police do have guns with drums, like riot control shotguns AND gas launchers.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    ordinary citizens don't face the dangers and have the responsibilities that cops do.
    Yes they do. If someone tries to rob me, I can shoot them, or the police can shoot him. It's the same person and same result.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Well, when you consider the fact that the killer had 70 targets and that any person who would have had a gun has one target in a dark theater with tear gas in the air, the so-called "speculation" starts to disappear. Things like these happen very quickly and there is also a lot of confusion on top of that. There was a marine in the audience who had no idea what was going on. Everyone fancies themselves as a hero, but the reality is that people panic in highly stressful situations like these no matter how much they would like to pretend that they would be macho. It's incredibly easy to be a tough guy on a message board where you are discussing the thing from afar and you have a tremendous amount of distance from it.

    There are plenty of situations where a trained person with a gun would be able to diffuse a situation without hurting or possibly killing others. In my opinion, a dark theater filled with tear gas isn't one of them.
    Not unless u are very well trained, and even then it can be a bitch.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    stop lying--the homicide rate for cops is far lower than for cab drivers and several other professions....
    got any evidence for this, or it another baseless claim?

    ...and the cops don't have any greater right to shoot at someone than you do
    silliest thing I've read all day.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    Yes they do. If someone tries to rob me, I can shoot them, or the police can shoot him. It's the same person and same result.
    actually if you shoot them the chances of you hitting the bad guy and NOT HITTING an innocent bystander are much higher

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paratrooper View Post
    I don't personally need a 100 round magazine, on the other-hand, that doesn't seem justification to me to ban them. What % of people are killed in America by guns with 30 round magazines or larger?
    THE most common gun used in murder is a cheap handgun, I remember running across an article with it not too long ago, it's a .38, piece of ****, jams half the time and has I think an 8 round box magazine.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    got any evidence for this, or it another baseless claim?



    silliest thing I've read all day.
    well given your well known expertise in civil rights, the laws of self defense and police protocol tell us where cops have a greater right to use deadly force than OTHER civilians.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    Yes they do. If someone tries to rob me, I can shoot them, or the police can shoot him. It's the same person and same result.
    u can't shoot someone that tries to rob someone.

    cops can.

    u can't shoot someone that tries to steal your car. cops can.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Saw the clip of the little worm at the court hearing.
    The goofy orange hair along with his attempt to look dazed I think is his work to go for the insanity plea. Am not fricking buying his cute little act.

    I just visualize taking a 2x4 and striking the side of his face. That dazed look would vanish quickly if he saw a 2 X 4 coming his way.

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