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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    In the old west, the sheriffs used to make the cowboys turn in their guns before entering town and it did save a lot of lives. Last year Britain which has strict guns laws only had 58 homicides from a gun while the US had around 8,500 or so.
    And what is the wild west known for? Oh, and have you ever heard of Michael Robert Ryan? GB has a higher rate of violent crime than the U.S., they also have crazed gunmen who commit massacres.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    on a note aside and related ... Warner Bros., the studio behind The Dark Knight Rises, is making a donation to charities supporting victims of the Aurora, Colo., shooting rampage.

    Warner Bros. to Make 'Substantial' Donation to Colorado Shooting Victims - The Hollywood Reporter

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post
    on a note aside and related ... Warner Bros., the studio behind The Dark Knight Rises, is making a donation to charities supporting victims of the Aurora, Colo., shooting rampage.

    Warner Bros. to Make 'Substantial' Donation to Colorado Shooting Victims - The Hollywood Reporter

    good for them

    knowing Hollyweird I would have suspected they'd give the Brady Bunch a bunch of money

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that was a local ordinance allowed by the tenth amendment. England banned handguns and their rate of violent crime and gun crime increased

    we have eased carrying concealed weapons and the idiotic clinton gun ban disappeared and gun crime has decreased

    btw England had even less crime before they started banning guns
    A local ordinance huh? Then why wasn't Chicago allowed to ban guns in it's city limits? Gun crimes and homicides don't seem to be decreasing there much.

    England had less crime, Canada had less crime, hell almost every civilized country in the world has less crime than the US. Why is that?

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    A local ordinance huh? Then why wasn't Chicago allowed to ban guns in it's city limits? Gun crimes and homicides don't seem to be decreasing there much.

    England had less crime, Canada had less crime, hell almost every civilized country in the world has less crime than the US. Why is that?
    and once again the country witrh more fully auto rifles than all of europes population combines had the lowest gun crime of all!!!!!!!!!!!

    SO LOW THEY STOPPED COUNTING IT!!their gun crime is one per 250,000 people,and the country has a little less than 8 mil people.

    england has been under fire multiple times from both the us and european nation for blatantly lying about their crime rates.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    I saw the film today, and the few hollywood action scenes of 'bad guys' spraying a crowd of innocents with bullets were uncomfortable.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    A local ordinance huh? Then why wasn't Chicago allowed to ban guns in it's city limits? Gun crimes and homicides don't seem to be decreasing there much.

    England had less crime, Canada had less crime, hell almost every civilized country in the world has less crime than the US. Why is that?

    because of a thing called the 14th amendment. same reason why cities or states cannot ignore the first amendment. Look it up

    You are lying BTW. England has more violent crime

    by 1998 the rate of violent and gun crime among WHITE EUROPEANS had surpassed WHITE americans. Yeah I know this is going to upset the PC hand wringers but black inner city drug crime rates skews our gun crime statistics way out of proportion to reality


    a great exchange took place right after the 1994 elections. congress was holding hearings on some gun issue and the clinton side of the aisle had called some anti gun doctor who presented his findings about youth gun violence. Chuck Scumbag-then a congressman was lapping it up when the acidic Helen Chenoweth (R-Idaho-RIP) asked on question

    In her saccarine syrupy voice she said

    DR. did your studies include suburban and rural white youth or only inner city african-American youth?

    DEAD SILENCE

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    finally

    no


    Chenoweth: well since I don't have many inner city African American youths who are drug dealers as constituents, why should my constituents be subject to laws that really have no use in relation to them

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    That's absurd. Do you ever pick up a newspaper and see the front page headline reading "man's grocery store purchase totaled 10.00 even," or "local woman tries to call son, dials wrong number which happens to belong to old friend." The big deal is that hundreds of people's lives were destroyed and there is no known motive. And frankly, there should be safeguards in place to prevent psychopaths from killing innocent people, when their actions clearly provide ample suspicion to justify action being taken. A 24 year old drops out of school, purchases three guns including a semi-automatic rifle, has all these things delivered to his apartment, then is rejected from a shooting range for sounding and acting like a maniac. That's fine? You can only buy sudafed once or twice a month, but what he did is fine.

    That's another part of why this is such a big deal. I'm sick of gun owners justifying the availability of any and all firearms. Can't we just agree that you can keep your guns and we can enact regulations that prevent them from falling into the hands of maniacs?
    That would be wonderful if we could.

    So, how do we keep the guns out of the hands of maniacs?
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    That would be wonderful if we could.

    So, how do we keep the guns out of the hands of maniacs?
    Regardless of whether guns are completely illegal or have no regulation to them whatsoever, the only way to prevent maniacs from getting guns and killing people is to first be able to identify the maniacs. It's not that people are only able to kill because they can buy guns, it's that it's impossible in many cases to identify who's "a little weird" versus who's preparing to slaughter a bunch of people.

    There's also no way to control for all sorts of explosive chemicals that can be turned into home-made bombs, which this guy also apparently was able to do. So... how do we prevent maniacs from buying chemicals that can be put together into homemade bombs? You can't. All you can do is get better at identifying symptoms of mania or psychosis. But even then, you can't just interfere with people's lives because you find them to be a little cuckoo. They have to pretty clearly be a danger to themselves or others or at risk of not surviving on their own because they're so mentally ill. It's about as hard to identify the onset of mental illness in all people as it is to keep them from purchasing or wielding dangerous objects.

    So don't worry about keeping dangerous people from being dangerous, as that is an impossible task. Concern yourself with being prepared for encounters with dangerous people by training yourself to self-defend. Pretty damn simple concept. Just because folks think of yourself as peaceful and rational doesn't mean others are. Be responsible and have a backup plan.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Regardless of whether guns are completely illegal or have no regulation to them whatsoever, the only way to prevent maniacs from having guns is to be able to identify who are the maniacs. It's not that people are only able to kill because they can buy guns, it's that it's impossible in many cases to identify who's "a little weird" versus who's preparing to slaughter a bunch of people.
    And, there is the problem. How do we identify people who are likely to go off the deep end and start killing people?
    And, if they're at that point, is preventing them from having guns going to stop them?
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