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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Anybody saying that shooting him would make things worse is speculating even more.
    Well, when you consider the fact that the killer had 70 targets and that any person who would have had a gun has one target in a dark theater with tear gas in the air, the so-called "speculation" starts to disappear. Things like these happen very quickly and there is also a lot of confusion on top of that. There was a marine in the audience who had no idea what was going on. Everyone fancies themselves as a hero, but the reality is that people panic in highly stressful situations like these no matter how much they would like to pretend that they would be macho. It's incredibly easy to be a tough guy on a message board where you are discussing the thing from afar and you have a tremendous amount of distance from it.

    There are plenty of situations where a trained person with a gun would be able to diffuse a situation without hurting or possibly killing others. In my opinion, a dark theater filled with tear gas isn't one of them.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    Flint,Columbine, Virginia Tech, Arizona, Denver funny they keep getting guns.
    Like I said, you could take away all guns tomorrow and people would still be killing each other. Or did your history textbooks say murders only began with Winchester?

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Well, when you consider the fact that the killer had 70 targets and that any person who would have had a gun has one target in a dark theater with tear gas in the air, the so-called "speculation" starts to disappear. Things like these happen very quickly and there is also a lot of confusion on top of that. There was a marine in the audience who had no idea what was going on. Everyone fancies themselves as a hero, but the reality is that people panic in highly stressful situations like these no matter how much they would like to pretend that they would be macho. It's incredibly easy to be a tough guy on a message board where you are discussing the thing from afar and you have a tremendous amount of distance from it.
    That situation was iffy all around, the assailant had the advantage. I think a few armed theater goers could have swung either way, but being that none of us were there it's impossible to say one way or another what would have helped/hurt. I personally would have preferred to have been armed in that situation but that's definitely an individual preference.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    They got him drugged up pretty bad and I really don't blame them.

    Saw a story earlier where three boyfriends saved their girlfriend's lives but placing their bodies between the shooter and the girlfriends. The whole thing effing sucks.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Furiounova View Post
    They got him drugged up pretty bad and I really don't blame them.

    Saw a story earlier where three boyfriends saved their girlfriend's lives but placing their bodies between the shooter and the girlfriends. The whole thing effing sucks.
    I'd still check that kid for "soap bombs" before every appearance. He went the gamut from full out assault to chemical deployment to booby trapping. No clue what he's fully capable of.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Are you OK with you right to bear arms being subjected to that test?



    So? Freedom was considered a privilege until 1865. The founders got **** wrong. The appeal to authority/tradition argument you are making is still irrelevant to our discussion. Repeating it yet again hasn't changed that.







    It is certainly mythical because it is being overblown by people who wish to do nothing more than legally suppress the votes of those who are more inclined to vote against their party.

    I mean, you can't really be naive enough to believe these tards who are calling for voter ID's are actually interested in stoppping that which they gleefully take part in when it benefits them.




    And how did that work out for them?







    SO are you saying you cannot use a logically valid and non-hypocritical argument justify your choice to designate the rights you wish to infringe as "created" ones, while designating those that you do not want infringed as "fundamental"?

    Because nothing you have written above does that.





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    Answer: Sweet **** all.

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    Yep. That's the democracy part of our Representative Democracy.



    Yep. That's the representative part of our Representative Democracy.
    Tucker, First of all let me say I have always supported the 2nd amendment and the right to bear arms , hell I even support the right to carry a concealed weapon.

    What I do not support is the background checks that make it easy for some nut to buy a gun or guns and a lot of ammunition.

    I have a question.
    Say you are in a gun dealers shop, now you see this gun dealer selling guns and a lot of ammunition to a person you know is deranged , you have heard this person say he was going to kill everybody he could in his neighborhood, and he lived down the street from you , would you let the sale go through for 2 glocks and an automatic rifle with a lot of ammunition?
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    Tucker, First of all let me say I have always supported the 2nd amendment and the right to bear arms , hell I even support the right to carry a concealed weapon.

    What I do not support is the background checks that make it easy for some nut to buy a gun or guns and a lot of ammunition.

    I have a question.
    Say you are in a gun dealers shop, now you see this gun dealer selling a gun to a person you know is deranged , you have heard this person say he was going to kill everybody he could in his neighborhood, and he lived down the street from you , would you let the sale go through for 2 glocks and an automatic with a lot of ammuntion?
    If it makes you feel any better, just about every legitimate gun dealer would kick out anyone who showed any signs of being a danger to others. I've known many gun dealers here and they take gun safety VERY seriously.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Furiounova View Post
    Like I said, you could take away all guns tomorrow and people would still be killing each other. Or did your history textbooks say murders only began with Winchester?
    Like I said sometimes less is better.

    If an action like any I have mentioned can be avoided is it worth the hardship of waiting a little longer to get the gun you are buying.
    Is it worth 12 innocent people's lives?
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    If it makes you feel any better, just about every legitimate gun dealer would kick out anyone who showed any signs of being a danger to others. I've known many gun dealers here and they take gun safety VERY seriously.
    That's good but you do know that the Virginia Tech shooter was stopped by the police for irradic behavior , that was before he bought the guns from a licenced gun dealer.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    That's good but you do know that the Virginia Tech shooter was stopped by the police for irradic behavior , that was before he bought the guns from a licenced gun dealer.
    Yeah, same with Laughner, both cases there were red flags not reported before they engaged in violence. The system is only as good as the record and reporting, if police think someone is a danger they MUST flag them, otherwise there are no further tools to go off of.
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