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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    A 100 round drum in competitive shooting? Where in the world have you ever seen/heard that? A 100 round drum would severely alter shooting position. The only practical application for a 100 round drum is to suppress a target. That is why the military has 100-200 round drums for all squad automatic and crew serve weapons. We use them to suppress targets while riflemen maneuver. WE DON'T EVEN CARRY 100 ROUND DRUMS FOR M-4/M-16'S!! If you ever see someone carrying one it was purchased on the civilian market.
    Eh, there are plenty of "bush league" competitions out there, some are paramilitary based. I know that drum mags are for suppression but it doesn't really get into the realm of extreme danger for the average gun owner to have over anything else, IOW a weapon is only as dangerous as the handler.

    I think you are just toeing the "conservative" line that says our country has to allow everything that is involved with guns. Thats asinine. The 2nd Amendment says nothing of magazine size. Look, I don't think gun laws should change an iota based on this incident. However, I do believe large magazines (over 15 rounds) and Small Arms Protective Inserts for body armor should be outlawed for purchase on the civilian market. There is no practical application for any of it.
    Actually no. I think for myself and base it on the fundamentals of liberty and rights, for something to be banned within those rights there is a heavy burden of proof that has to be held to account, for instance large magazines are as you've put it and I frankly agree not the tactical advantage the anti-gun side claims them to be, casual shooters as has been pointed out would be better served with banana clips or mid-sized magazines anyway. I don't base rights upon need however.

    If you think magazine size makes no difference, try something for me. Go buy an AR-15, get your buddy an 9mm pistol, and have him shoot at you while you try to reload. Thats what a criminal would encounter. Trust me, its not easy. We practice mag changes constantly when working up for a deployment. Guess what? I've still screwed them up while getting shot at. The more mag changes you make a criminal execute, the more likely he is to screw up and give cops a chance to maneuver/take a shot at him. Most civilians don't know to take cover while reloading, retain their magazines for future use, or have the skill to keep their eyes on the target while executing their mag change. Imagine if this guy would have only gotten off 15 rounds at a time. He's obviously a medical geek who doesn't even know how to clear a jam on his own weapon. Changing mags for him, with the amount of adrenaline he had going through his system, may have allowed cops (or even a civilian) to take him down. At the least, he would have become frustrated and maybe transitioned to his sidearm. That would have been much better than the AR-15 or shotgun. Don't buy into the party line of "all things gun should be legal".
    I shoot, I understand that you are military and I know that pressure changes aren't as easy as firing range changes however they aren't quite as difficult as you make them out to be. Multiple mags versus large mags is not IMO such a large gap as to require a ban on high capacity.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Someone else missed the joke/point.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

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    So, all is fine, keep pumping endless tax money into "the hood", have an endless war on drugs that keeps profits high, gangs in control and simply try to isolate that crime into the proper zip codes. When crime occurs in "nice" areas then have marathon TV coverage and still not acknoweldge that gov't funds given to the Batman killer (or was he the Joker killer?) allowed him to purchase his arsenal and kill lots of folks.
    First, we have no pumped 'endless tax money' into what you refer to as the hood. There is no true or real war on drugs beyond a PR name. I do not get your point about government funds and the killer.



    As you say, what we have now is 99% effective, but does not address the REAL areas of massive crime, those "urban areas" that are allowed to remain both lawless AND heavily (if not completely) funded by tax money. Perhaps the first step is to NOT supply endless federal tax money to high crime areas, stop federal subsidizing of ALL out of wedlock childbirth and concentrate on keeping those that commit crime in prison for MUCH longer times.
    My statement about 99% effective referred to the no gun zones that the right seems to be demonizing in this thread.

    If you want to make the case that our big cities will be safer when we start abandoning assistance to people, I would like to read it.

    Legalize and tax recreational drugs, just like alcohol, and when morons choose to spend their money on dope, to stay stoned (addicted), instead of working and buying food, they starve (perfect and honest drug education). Rewarding failure through gov't "help" is not really helping, except to create a gov't dependent underclass free to breed criminals.
    I have no idea what this has to do with a national discussion about firearms.

    More gov't "help" is not working, so let us try less gov't "help", more law enforcement and stop trying to blame THINGS for the behavior problems of 1% to 2% of our criminal morons.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    By that measure, there is no war on terror, either.
    If you want to make that case, I would be happy to read your argument. However, I have made the case for the lack of a true war on drugs.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Guns are not the problem, nor are bullets. People are.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    What I mean to say by that is...what we should REALLY be discussing in this thread, to remain relevant, is not gun control...but the who's and why's of this tragedy. Until then, all the gun control in the world is not going to prevent another tragedy just like this one.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    You just want to be able to buy any erectile disfunction toy you can lay your hands on and could not give a **** if innocent children are mowed down in movie theaters.

    Again ... to borrow your argument style.

    the inherent idiocy of the anti gun psychobabblers is evident in this above drivel

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    There are estimated to be around 52 million households in the US who own guns.

    If guns are the issue, why are there not 52 million murders, or 52 million MASS murders, in the US?
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Never said it was. However, doing nothing guarantees that his aim and his intention won't be comprimised. I'll choose returning fire over cowering on the floor waiting for my turn to die. That's just me.
    I'd choose that, too. I'm not arguing for gun control here, I'm arguing against the idea that someone else in that theater with a firearm would definitely have prevented this. There's no way to know that for sure. It's just as absurd to say that it would have prevented it as it is to say that gun laws would have prevented it.

    However, I do agree with you that having some chance to stop it is better than having no chance. This is why I oppose the vast majority of gun control laws.
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