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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

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    A desperate strawman that you cannot honestly expect to be engaged.
    Really? Do you disagree that there is no Constitutional right recognized by the Supreme Court to have any firearm you want to have? Because that is crucial. That is central. That is the reality that frames the discussion that follows.

    So give us your answer? Do you as a citizen have a Constitutional right recognized by the Supreme Court to have any firearm you want to have?
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    What I want is an honest and open national discussion so we as Americans can discuss how we can respect the rights of the Second Amendment and speak to the terrible horrors that the murder rate with guns scream at us in the headlines.

    I do not propose to be the KING and wave my scepter and make law for the nation. I would hope that we as a people can do that together.

    There is no such thing as a Constitutional right recognized by the Supreme Court to have any firearm you want. That right does not exist. So what we argue about is what is acceptable in our society. That is a conversation we badly need to have.
    Again more rant yet NO proposed changes in ANYHTING. You want "discussion" yet offer none, simply babble about "hope and change", yet none is offered EVER. Clever tactic, yet very, very boring. Just what do you propose that WE DO to stop crazy Batman types that plan mass murder for MONTHS, have no jobs and are funded by the gov't?
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

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    I am saying AGAIN that crazed serial/mass gun using muderers are NOTHING in terms of U.S. gun crime, and that any whacko gun control laws that you dream up will NOT put a dent in it. Yes, much higher crime exists in the U.S. due to its commission by minorities. Would U.S. crime drop to the level of Japan without these minoriies? I don't know how one could even begin to show that, perhaps you can show me that link.
    Wait a minute. It is YOU who claim that the minorities in the USA are the problem. Not me. So feel free to present the data. You seem to want it both ways here as you blame minorities but yet back away from stating that without them we would equal the rate of Japan. So which is it?

    I expect you to present YOUR solution instead of simply saying CONSTANTLY what is "not working". Banning guns for all law abiding theater patrons did not work, yet you see MORE restrictions as the answer. I maintian that had a few persons, perhaps 3% of those in the theater, been armed that this may not have been even attempted, much less accomplished. Even if someone secured (alarmed?) the side exit, this plan would not have worked. Many things can be done to prevent this specific type of crime, yet it is so rare as to be insignificant in terms of the total U.S. crime.
    Actually it works every day in every theater in America except that one in Colorado this weekend. That is a success rate that is well north of 99%.

    More people will be likely to be shot in Chicago next week that this Batman dude managed, yet NO presidential visit will result, no national TV marathon will result and no libtards will call for tougher Chicago gun laws, since Chicago already has the nation's touhgest gun laws.
    And that is sad. So what do we do about that?
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    All the blue pills in the world wouldn't help you when the crazed-lookin' dude speaking in tongues sat down behind you and starting snapping shells into his sawed off street sweeper.
    What are in the blue pills? Just watch the hands and muzzle. He points the muzzle towards anyone and it gets taken away.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Really? Do you disagree that there is no Constitutional right recognized by the Supreme Court to have any firearm you want to have? Because that is crucial. That is central. That is the reality that frames the discussion that follows.

    So give us your answer? Do you as a citizen have a Constitutional right recognized by the Supreme Court to have any firearm you want to have?
    Why would the Supreme Court have to recognize anything? Our right is not derived from Supreme Court recognition.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Again more rant yet NO proposed changes in ANYHTING. You want "discussion" yet offer none, simply babble about "hope and change", yet none is offered EVER. Clever tactic, yet very, very boring. Just what do you propose that WE DO to stop crazy Batman types that plan mass murder for MONTHS, have no jobs and are funded by the gov't?
    Yes I want a national discussion with the American people.

    We need to discuss if the American people want to live in a society where constantly advancing technology is the only defining authority on what weapons somebody may possess.

    We need to discuss if the American people want to live in a society where open carrying of weapons on the streets and inside of buildings becomes common place and allowed.

    That would be a good beginning to a needed national conversation.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Really? Do you disagree that there is no Constitutional right recognized by the Supreme Court to have any firearm you want to have? Because that is crucial. That is central. That is the reality that frames the discussion that follows.

    So give us your answer? Do you as a citizen have a Constitutional right recognized by the Supreme Court to have any firearm you want to have?

    There is definately a Constitutional Right to own any weapon you want.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    Why would the Supreme Court have to recognize anything? Our right is not derived from Supreme Court recognition.
    Because if the Court does not recognize your claimed right - then mister - you ain't got it pure and simple.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    There is definately a Constitutional Right to own any weapon you want.
    Can you quote the Supreme Court decision which states that please?
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Can you quote the Supreme Court decision which states that please?
    I didn't come up with this idea, you did. If you're gonna give me a hard time, then find someone else to represent your fantasy claim.
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