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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you just don't get it

    you want to piss over the second amendment by suggesting the amendment is what killed those people

    everyone else saw your intent
    Why do you not want to honor the innocent dead?

    Why do you want to play ostrich and ignore the reality that in a society which allows hundreds of million of guns there will be "collateral damage" of innocent people which forces you to fantasize about gang raping a person to death as a suitable punishment?

    I have said repeatedly that I feel the Second Amendment and gun ownership does more good than it does harm. But to pretend that there is not a dark side to owning guns and a society which has them in the numbers we do is simply playing ostrich and ignoring reality.

    You and I differ on one main thing Turtle - I DO NOT believe guns are an absolute pure good. They can be a very negative and destructive force. That does not make me anti gun any more than accepting the tens of thousands killed on the highways each year makes me ANTI CAR.

    But such distinctions are beyond the thought of an extremist.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    he thinks the second amendment is limited to weapons designed for shooting tin cans or only two robbers at a time I suspect
    Thank you for yet again proving to the world that the only way you can pretend to engage in debate is to intentionally and dishonestly pervert the position of the other side.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Why do you not want to honor the innocent dead?

    Why do you want to play ostrich and ignore the reality that in a society which allows hundreds of million of guns there will be "collateral damage" of innocent people which forces you to fantasize about gang raping a person to death as a suitable punishment?

    I have said repeatedly that I feel the Second Amendment and gun ownership does more good than it does harm. But to pretend that there is not a dark side to owning guns and a society which has them in the numbers we do is simply playing ostrich and ignoring reality.

    You and I differ on one main thing Turtle - I DO NOT believe guns are an absolute pure good. They can be a very negative and destructive force. That does not make me anti gun any more than accepting the tens of thousands killed on the highways each year makes me ANTI CAR.

    But such distinctions are beyond the thought of an extremist.
    You want to ban certain kinds of guns and suggest that those who support the second amendment are responsible for innocents being murdered. I doubt any pro gun poster believes you are pro gun. You want to smear the second amendment and you think that "tactical" weapons are too extreme

    give it up hay market, you support gun restrictions as much as you support Obama

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So by your leap of logic the status quo cannot be extreme? History tells a very different story. But why confuse you with facts when you would rather engage in political order following.

    Yeah I know - only a racist calls other people racists. Only an extremist calls other people extremists. Only a .... whatever.... we get the idea.
    Keep your history in your pocket for another day and let's just keep CONTEXT for the moment. Calling current gun law "extreme" is pants-wetting sky-falling nonsense.


    ps. Did you just call me a racist?

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    its illegal to drive that fast

    only morons would ban owing a car when there are places where you can legally drive 200 MPH
    I guess that makes me ANTI CAR. Only a moron - your own word - would not get the comparison.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    [QUOTE=ecofarm;1060716649]Keep your history in your pocket for another day and let's just keep CONTEXT for the moment. Calling current gun law "extreme" is pants-wetting sky-falling nonsense.


    ps. Did you just call me a racist?[/QUOTE]

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Keep your history in your pocket for another day and let's just keep CONTEXT for the moment. Calling current gun law "extreme" is pants-wetting sky-falling nonsense.


    ps. Did you just call me a racist?
    Actually it is reality. We live in a time when people like Turtle advocate the ability for citizens to have military level technology and walk around the streets fully armed with it.

    By any comparison of the last century of America - that is the definition of extreme.

    Did I call you a racist? Not at all. I was saying that it is a tactic of some to turn any accusation right back on the one who makes it. Racism is but one example that we see very often. You brought up the extremist example.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    You want to ban certain kinds of guns and suggest that those who support the second amendment are responsible for innocents being murdered. I doubt any pro gun poster believes you are pro gun. You want to smear the second amendment and you think that "tactical" weapons are too extreme

    give it up hay market, you support gun restrictions as much as you support Obama
    You just want to be able to buy any erectile disfunction toy you can lay your hands on and could not give a **** if innocent children are mowed down in movie theaters.

    Again ... to borrow your argument style.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Actually it is reality. We live in a time when people like Turtle advocate the ability for citizens to have military level technology and walk around the streets fully armed with it.

    By any comparison of the last century of America - that is the definition of extreme.

    Did I call you a racist? Not at all. I was saying that it is a tactic of some to turn any accusation right back on the one who makes it. Racism is but one example that we see very often. You brought up the extremist example.
    No, you said the extremists have won, for now. Even if I agree with some change in gun regulations, characterizing the status-quo (remember, I mentioned that before) as extreme is nutbag-level analysis. You were not merely characterizing Turtle as extreme.

    I'm not turning any accusation back on you. I'm pointing out how ridiculous it is to consider the status-quo extreme when the vast majority of people would only like minor changes.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    YOur own sources prove that Canada has a diverse population just as I claimed. And nothing you presented shows that I was wrong in stating that there are minorities in Japan.

    You claimed cultural differences without offering any proof that the stuff mentioned either exists or is important as a factor.
    Racial minorities are less than 13% in Canada and 1.5% in Japan. I posted PLENTY of U.S. crime statistics to "prove" that VAST cultural/ethnic/racial differences exist. You are simply playing games. If you seriously doubt that crime is equally reported and police receive similar witness coopertaion in "the hood" then you don't read much. Look into these things for yourself. You are getting boring with your ENDLESS claims that nothing is ever shown or proved to YOUR personal satisfaction. It is YOUR turn to show that minorities in the U.S. do not account for a HUGE percentage of the crime and the prison population, as I have shown you the RESULTS using U.S. gov't provided statistics. You see U.S. crime is FAR higher compared to Japan and Canada, yet offer NO rational explanation for the difference, certainly not guns alone can account for it, and RECREATIONAL DRUGS are certainly a U.S. cultural issue, whether YOU choose to accept it or not. I offered back-up links for EVERY position, you simply poo poo them as "not sufficient", so please STFU until YOU can prove different.
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