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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Turtle that kind of BS is not as useful as a fifty pound bag of garden manure and is half as honest.

    I have no problem with people owning guns. If you want a gun for your home or business or sports and recreational use that is great and I am supportive of that.

    Got that Turtle? I DO NOT WANT A SOCIETY WHERE ONLY THE HOODS AND STATE ARE ARMED.

    So lets flush that stupid comment down the toilet with the other content that belongs there.

    You know damn well that nobody here wants the stupid strawman perversion you just described. So why don't you get some intellectual integrity and knock off the frankenstein monster straw men for once?
    In Aurora, CO it is ILLEGAL to carry firearms in the theater, thus ONLY the killer was armed. You can duck, bob and weave but that is the law there. To say that this had no effect on that being the chosen killing ground is absurd. The whimpy Batman killer made no stand against LEOs, he simply surrendered. Many assert, and I tend to agree, that ANY armed resistance would have likely stopped his brief assault and murder spree, or at least made him pause and seek cover long enough to allow many more to escape injury and death. When you are up to your ass in alligators it is hard to remember that your mission was simply to drain the swamp. ;-)
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You live in centuries that have turned everyone to worm food Turtle. My calendar was 2012... not 1812. How about yours?
    its amazing how the far left hate the history of our nation and the rights patriots cherish. I remember someone noting that anything that makes a person less dependent on government is anathema to the collectivist left

    guns make people less dependent on government, hence the loony left hates guns

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Defining the other as "extreme" is a time-honored method of extremists.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    fringe extremist whose position is consistent with most law professors, the founding fathers and most people who actually understand this issue

    there are only two motivations behind gun controllers

    ignorance or dishonesty

    you proved your views on guns with your idiotic suggestion that the dead victims of mass shootings be honored as MARTYRS of the SECOND AMENDMENT.
    And that offends you because you have totally and completely immersed yourself in gun culture where by your own admissions guns are some sort of pure good like a church sacrament.

    Its beyond perverted.

    I wonder what the sainted Founders would have done had some nut tried to kill them at Constitution Hall and succeeded in taking a dozen of them out?

    So don't whine to me about the sainted Founders being on your side.

    There is no Constitutional right as defined by the Supreme Court to have any weapon you want to have. You know that and I know that. So do not pretend there is.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    its amazing how the far left hate the history of our nation and the rights patriots cherish. I remember someone noting that anything that makes a person less dependent on government is anathema to the collectivist left

    guns make people less dependent on government, hence the loony left hates guns
    You can only argue by demonizing and perverting the views of those who you disagree with. That is a sing of intellectual fraud of the worst sort as well as a bankruptcy of integrity and honesty. And you just admitted it by telling the word that you ignore what people say because you really know what they want.

    And we make fun of people in tin foil hats who claim they can do the same thing. Amazing.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And that offends you because you have totally and completely immersed yourself in gun culture where by your own admissions guns are some sort of pure good like a church sacrament.

    Its beyond perverted.

    I wonder what the sainted Founders would have done had some nut tried to kill them at Constitution Hall and succeeded in taking a dozen of them out?

    So don't whine to me about the sainted Founders being on your side.

    There is no Constitutional right to have any weapon you want to have. You know that and I know that. So do not pretend there is.
    it doesn't take much to get the gun haters to show their true colors

    You once boldly proclaimed you were pro second amendment even despite your idiotic Martyrs of the second amendment crap that got flushed to where it belonged

    The british tried to kill the founders. what was their solution BE WELL ARMED

    Look if you are afraid to own a gun and want to outsource your personal safety to some guy who is paid with your tax dollars to sort of protect you that is fine

    but stop whining about those of us who see our own safety and that of our family's a personal responsibility

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Defining the other as "extreme" is a time-honored method of extremists.
    So by that tremendous use of logic there are no extremists that dare not be called out?
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    it doesn't take much to get the gun haters to show their true colors

    You once boldly proclaimed you were pro second amendment even despite your idiotic Martyrs of the second amendment crap that got flushed to where it belonged

    The british tried to kill the founders. what was their solution BE WELL ARMED

    Look if you are afraid to own a gun and want to outsource your personal safety to some guy who is paid with your tax dollars to sort of protect you that is fine

    but stop whining about those of us who see our own safety and that of our family's a personal responsibility
    This is not about me owning a gun or you owning a gun and stop trying to make this a personal attack based on that fact.

    You cannot deal with the reality that there are people like myself who support gun ownership and desire we find a way as a people to stop this madness. For an extremist, the most dangerous thing that threatens their existence and power is the person who calls for rational discussion and reasonable solutions to complicated problems. That has the potential to expose and maybe even defeat your agenda and you simply cannot tolerate it.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    This is not about me owning a gun or you owning a gun and stop trying to make this a personal attack based on that fact.
    its about you supporting the anti gun agenda but not having the balls to really come out and say it

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Turtle that kind of BS is not as useful as a fifty pound bag of garden manure and is half as honest.

    I have no problem with people owning guns. If you want a gun for your home or business or sports and recreational use that is great and I am supportive of that.

    Got that Turtle? I DO NOT WANT A SOCIETY WHERE ONLY THE HOODS AND STATE ARE ARMED.

    So lets flush that stupid comment down the toilet with the other content that belongs there.

    You know damn well that nobody here wants the stupid strawman perversion you just described. So why don't you get some intellectual integrity and knock off the frankenstein monster straw men for once?

    Oh come off of it.

    We've already established that you don't like what most of us on the pro-gun side consider "middle ground". You've indicated that you don't like shall-issue concealed carry, or the possession of tactically effective weapons by civilians.

    You haven't been specific at all about what you DO want to do, just very vocal in protesting that you want "reasonable restrictions". Problem is you won't define them... and I'm guessing you won't define them because you know we'd find your version of "reasonable" to be most UNreasonable, and/or ineffective.

    It is highly, HIGHLY improbable that any gun control law would have stopped this guy. I think you know that anything you propose would have holes shot in it, metaphorically speaking, as being ineffective in preventing this man from engaging in mass murder.

    As I've said, we already have many states, like my own, where many people go armed daily and possess what you'd term "powerful weapons". We also don't have wholesale bloodbaths like this Colorado thing, or at least much more rarely.

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