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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Utter nonsense.

    I wouldn't kill someone over this idiotic argument, and I seriously doubt anyone else here is that stupid either.

    I've HAD heated arguments about politics, while standing around in a group of men who were ALL armed. Nobody got shot. Nobody pointed a gun at anyone.

    Just because you fear YOU have no self-control doesnt mean everyone lacks it.
    gun control tends to be a symptom of those who are terrified of making personal safety an individual responsibility and duty

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So I guess the answer to my question about your theory being applied to Japan is NO - it does not apply there. Now lets look at your excu... er ... 'reasons why it does not apply there.

    Japan has minorities. Japan has gangs. Japan even has organized crime.

    And what is your point about minorities anyway? Canada may be one of the most diverse nations in the world and they have 1/3 of the murder we have here.

    Is there some magical property about the fact that it is an island and its borders are water on all sides rather than land and water like ours is? I have never heard that before. Please do elaborate on that interesting theory if you could.
    Racial diversity in Canada and Japan? Are you kidding me?

    4. Changes in Ethnic and Racial Diversity - Cultural Diversity in Canada: The Social Construction of Racial Difference

    Japan Ethnic groups - Demographics

    The control of immigration as well as "contraband" is much easier with secure borders and defined ports of entry, thus islands are easier to defend and harder to escape for criminals. I notice that you chose to ignore the "cultural" differences in reporting crime that I pointed out. One of the key aspects of a criminal career is avoiding being caught, thus U.S. crime tends to be concentrated in certain well defined areas, that offer much less chance of getting caught.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    lefties love a society where only the hoods and the state are armed. this will cause the masses to cede rights to the government to protect them from the armed hoods.

    gun haters or those who whine about armed citizens tend to be fearful of guns and afraid of what would happen if they were forced to bear arms. so they project their fear onto others and assume others would be as dangerous and incompetent as they are when it comes to guns
    Turtle that kind of BS is not as useful as a fifty pound bag of garden manure and is half as honest.

    I have no problem with people owning guns. If you want a gun for your home or business or sports and recreational use that is great and I am supportive of that.

    Got that Turtle? I DO NOT WANT A SOCIETY WHERE ONLY THE HOODS AND STATE ARE ARMED.

    So lets flush that stupid comment down the toilet with the other content that belongs there.

    You know damn well that nobody here wants the stupid strawman perversion you just described. So why don't you get some intellectual integrity and knock off the frankenstein monster straw men for once?
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Well there we have it and we need to discuss such things no further. Goshin would never shoot anybody in an argument. case closed.

    Attacking me does not elevate your ridiculous point or give it merit it does not otherwise possess.

    If that is the type of America you want to live in - that is your choice. I would leave if the rabid right wing gets its way on this issue.

    We are allowing a fringe group of extremists to dominate the discussion of firearms in America and have been allowing it for the last two decades or more.

    I am damn sick and tired of reading how some gun nut has to have the same weapons the US military has because someday somehow he just may have to go toe to toe with the army and that is what the Second Amendments means.

    What horse puckey!!!!!!

    Sorry you feel that way. You're too late of course... lots of people in lots of states carry guns, and they don't behave like you're projecting. Lots of people in many states have military small-arms... I have military small-arms... and 99.98% of us never misuse them on our fellow man.

    Lots of luck to you in whatever country you move to.... where ya going, btw? Cuba or Venezuela?

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Turtle that kind of BS is not as useful as a fifty pound bag of garden manure and is half as honest.

    I have no problem with people owning guns. If you want a gun for your home or business or sports and recreational use that is great and I am supportive of that.

    Got that Turtle? I DO NOT WANT A SOCIETY WHERE ONLY THE HOODS AND STATE ARE ARMED.

    So lets flush that stupid comment down the toilet with the other content that belongs there.

    You know damn well that nobody here wants the stupid strawman perversion you just described. So why don't you get some intellectual integrity and knock off the frankenstein monster straw men for once?
    I don't really buy what you claim. And yes, many lefties want what I claim they do. once you believe that banning some guns will stop some crime you pretty much have accepted the koolade that banning more guns will stop more crime

    and once you believe that "public safety" is more important than gun rights, you have accepted the fact that our rights is subordinate to "the public good",

    and I have been dealing with gun haters for almost 40 years. I know what they think and what they want

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Sorry you feel that way. You're too late of course... lots of people in lots of states carry guns, and they don't behave like you're projecting. Lots of people in many states have military small-arms... I have military small-arms... and 99.98% of us never misuse them on our fellow man.

    Lots of luck to you in whatever country you move to.... where ya going, btw? Cuba or Venezuela?
    I realize that the pendulum has swung wide to the far right on this issue. The extremists have won - for now. They even have their own subculture to nurture and sustain them in their ideology. If my nation is stolen from me by the radical right wing who would destroy it and pervert it I would consider moving just a few miles across the Detroit River to Canada.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I don't really buy what you claim. And yes, many lefties want what I claim they do. once you believe that banning some guns will stop some crime you pretty much have accepted the koolade that banning more guns will stop more crime

    and once you believe that "public safety" is more important than gun rights, you have accepted the fact that our rights is subordinate to "the public good",

    and I have been dealing with gun haters for almost 40 years. I know what they think and what they want
    Of course you do not buy what I claim. You are a fringe extremist on this issue and you can only survive if you characterize anyone who disagrees with you as having the polar opposite views. You have to build a perverted strawman because you cannot honestly deal with the nuances of real positions.

    And you justify this god complex by telling us you really know what people think and want. Like now you can freakin read minds for heavens sakes. You must since you do a really poor job at reading what people actually tell you they believe.

    But this is really a red letter day Turtle. You have publicly proclaimed that you will NOT deal with the actual views people here espouse, you can only deal with what exists in your own mind as you "really know" what people believe despite their actual words.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I realize that the pendulum has swung wide to the far right on this issue. The extremists have won - for now. If my nation is stolen from me by the radical right wing who would destroy it and pervert it I would consider moving just a few miles across the Detroit River to Canada.
    far right on this issue? OMG is that pathetic.

    the standard position in this nation was no federal gun control. It was only that turd FDR that started that crap

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Of course you do not buy what I claim. You are a fringe extremist on this issue and you can only survive if you characterize anyone who disagrees with you as having the polar opposite views. You have to build a perverted strawman because you cannot honestly deal with the nuances of real positions.

    And you justify this god complex by telling us you really know what people think and want. Like now you can freakin read minds for heavens sakes. You must since you do a really poor job at reading what people actually tell you they believe.
    fringe extremist whose position is consistent with most law professors, the founding fathers and most people who actually understand this issue

    there are only two motivations behind gun controllers

    ignorance or dishonesty

    you proved your views on guns with your idiotic suggestion that the dead victims of mass shootings be honored as MARTYRS of the SECOND AMENDMENT.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    far right on this issue? OMG is that pathetic.

    the standard position in this nation was no federal gun control. It was only that turd FDR that started that crap
    You live in centuries that have turned everyone to worm food Turtle. My calendar was 2012... not 1812. How about yours?
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