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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    1) no one was armed in that area

    2) in a church in colorado a woman with a pistol wounded the active shooter-he then killed himself

    3) in another active shooter case at a school, teacher got a pistol and captured the shooter

    4) in cincinnati, a killer shot a woman jogging. a guy who had a loaded pistol in his car (a gray area since there was no CCW permit at the time) chased the killer down at gun point and took him prisoner until the cops arrived.

    how would a guy with a 100 round magazine been able to get that close to Giffords?

    how was the Aurora shooter able to exit an emergency exit and come back in without alarms being sounded

    why did he choose a gun free zone
    Your argument boils down to one thing: let America be turned into a place where people walk around brandishing powerful weapons in public and can take them anywhere they desire at any time. And in doing this you hope - you cross your fingers - you light a candle - that when the firing begins only the bad guys will be filled with lead and no innocents will get caught in the cross fire upping the potential murder count even higher. You hope and pray that none of these armed people get drunk or stoned or just plain angry or pissed off at anybody and decide to pull out their manhood and settle up a score.

    That is not the United States of America. That is Nightmare America.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    There is no true war on drugs. It is a PR title that poorly describes what is at best a half-assed effort and at worst is a fully assed effort.

    The last true war we had was World War II. We had a total mobilization of the American society and winning the war was a daily effort involving the American people. Try to imagine Nazi operatives handing out literature on a New York City corner in 1943 and tell me how long they would last. Now compare that wartime environment with the "war on drugs" today.

    There is no war on drugs.
    LOL tell that to the over 1 million americans who have been incarcerated over drug violations. tell that to the state ADAs and federal AUSAs who do nothing but prosecute drug violations. Hell we even have DRUG COURTS in some areas.

    but you do have a point. the government doesn't want to win this war-unlike WWII

    its hard to tell which war has cost more American lives.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post
    I know... people tend to get so hot-headed with this topic.... can you only imagine if this wasn't a forum and we were all discussing this face to face ... each one holding a gun... well... we would have killed each other many threads ago !
    A tremendous post. Very insightful. Is that the type of nation you want to live in? I know I certainly do not.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Your argument boils down to one thing: let America be turned into a place where people walk around brandishing powerful weapons in public and can take them anywhere they desire at any time. And in doing this you hope - you cross your fingers - you light a candle - that when the firing begins only the bad guys will be filled with lead and no innocents will get caught in the cross fire upping the potential murder count even higher. You hope and pray that none of these armed people get drunk or stoned or just plain angry or pissed off at anybody and decide to pull out their manhood and settle up a score.

    That is not the United States of America. That is Nightmare America.

    No, it's more like subsidized housing in Chicago... where they have draconian anti-gun laws.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    LOL tell that to the over 1 million americans who have been incarcerated over drug violations. tell that to the state ADAs and federal AUSAs who do nothing but prosecute drug violations. Hell we even have DRUG COURTS in some areas.

    but you do have a point. the government doesn't want to win this war-unlike WWII

    its hard to tell which war has cost more American lives.
    That is not a war. It is a public relations gimmick pure and simple.

    The drug problem in China from opium use was much worse in the 1940's in China. Estimates say as many as one out of every fine Chinese men used opium. By the mid 1950's it was non existent. Now that is a war on drugs.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    A tremendous post. Very insightful. Is that the type of nation you want to live in? I know I certainly do not.

    Utter nonsense.

    I wouldn't kill someone over this idiotic argument, and I seriously doubt anyone else here is that stupid either.

    I've HAD heated arguments about politics, while standing around in a group of men who were ALL armed. Nobody got shot. Nobody pointed a gun at anyone.

    Just because you fear YOU have no self-control doesnt mean everyone lacks it.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    No, it's more like subsidized housing in Chicago... where they have draconian anti-gun laws.
    Care to elaborate on that because I have no idea what you are talking about.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    He probably meant he'd killed animals with them, for the most part if not entirely.

    OTOH I know a sniper who has some intresting "trophy weapons" taken off men he'd shot and killed... how he got them back to the States I wouldn't know and didn't ask.
    some guy I knew in the first gulf conflict was a Navy Sniper (SEAL) who brought back two Barrett 50's from Iraquis he had whacked. he was able to get them back since they were American made and not Title II weapons requiring a tax stamp. An old SF MSgt I know managed to get a couple real AKs back from the Nam circa 1967. I believe he registered them under the 68 ATF amnesty and paid the fees. one of his buddies got a couple back and didn't. this was early on before people in charge started checking for that stuff. The weapons allegedly are buried in a public park near where this guy lives.

    but I know lots of AKs came back

    normally stuff like SKS, pistols etc could be brought back. not burp guns or AKs or the Czech stuff that was around Nam. Nor the fairly common :Swedish Ks that were favored by the MAC/SOG guys (at least according to the one who just retired from my office-he was a captain over there, used those in operations in areas where they weren't officially allowed to be)

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Your argument boils down to one thing: let America be turned into a place where people walk around brandishing powerful weapons in public and can take them anywhere they desire at any time. And in doing this you hope - you cross your fingers - you light a candle - that when the firing begins only the bad guys will be filled with lead and no innocents will get caught in the cross fire upping the potential murder count even higher. You hope and pray that none of these armed people get drunk or stoned or just plain angry or pissed off at anybody and decide to pull out their manhood and settle up a score.

    That is not the United States of America. That is Nightmare America.
    lefties love a society where only the hoods and the state are armed. this will cause the masses to cede rights to the government to protect them from the armed hoods.

    gun haters or those who whine about armed citizens tend to be fearful of guns and afraid of what would happen if they were forced to bear arms. so they project their fear onto others and assume others would be as dangerous and incompetent as they are when it comes to guns

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Utter nonsense.

    I wouldn't kill someone over this idiotic argument, and I seriously doubt anyone else here is that stupid either.

    I've HAD heated arguments about politics, while standing around in a group of men who were ALL armed. Nobody got shot. Nobody pointed a gun at anyone.

    Just because you fear YOU have no self-control doesnt mean everyone lacks it.
    Well there we have it and we need to discuss such things no further. Goshin would never shoot anybody in an argument. case closed.

    Attacking me does not elevate your ridiculous point or give it merit it does not otherwise possess.

    If that is the type of America you want to live in - that is your choice. I would leave if the rabid right wing gets its way on this issue.

    We are allowing a fringe group of extremists to dominate the discussion of firearms in America and have been allowing it for the last two decades or more.

    I am damn sick and tired of reading how some gun nut has to have the same weapons the US military has because someday somehow he just may have to go toe to toe with the army and that is what the Second Amendments means.

    What horse puckey!!!!!!
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