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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Totally agree. Still, if he reports something like that to the police they don't have enough to obtain a warrant or to set up surveillance. If someone is judged to be actively suspicious as this range owner judged there should be some standard to tell some kind of authorities, "Hey, might want to keep an eye on this one". I mean, we have a flagging system for books and other purchases so why not that really freaky individual that is borderline.


    A report could be made to the authorities, however, the standards may be more stringent requiring there must be an overt act where the person be placed under observation for 72 hours as the conduct may be indicative of someone who may want to hurt themselves or others. Moreover, I agree that monitoring for items that could be used to harm others should be in place and utilized.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so if a person has a clean record and no court history of mental incompetence just what is your solution

    if you buy more than one handgun within 5 business days from the same dealer the ATF has to be notified.

    You seem to be one of those people who cannot fathom a problem without a tidy neat packaged solution

    in this case there is none and many of us realize that rather than flying off the handle and screaming that WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING
    Uhh you do remember how easy it was to board a plane well that changed
    You remember going to a coffee shop and sitting down with a cigarette and a cup of coffee , well that changed
    I could go on , but it is a long list though.
    Each change came after somebody said WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING?

    So are you saying change these things but not the buying and selling of guns?
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    Uhh you do remember how easy it was to board a plane well that changed
    You remember going to a coffee shop and sitting down with a cigarette and a cup of coffee , well that changed
    I could go on , but it is a long list though.
    Each change came after somebody said WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING?

    So are you saying change these things but not the buying and selling of guns?
    I know gun laws inside and out. I also know what works and what does not. So tell me your solution since you obviously feel a need to change something.

    what would I change

    1) eliminate gun free zones

    2) find out why the emergency exit was such that this nutcase could go out of it-prop it open and come back into it without anyone knowing about it

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    well I am all ears-(or eyes I should say) tell me how you plan on doing this without infringing on my rights and the rights of other responsible people

    and tell me that your scheme will not be easily avoided by those who want guns going to the black market
    First of all the current gun control system isn't working, so change it or are all the intellectuals to busy .... uhh thinking?

    Second of all buying guns off the black market may not be that easy they are not exactly as trustworthy as the legal gun dealers are.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    Uhh you do remember how easy it was to board a plane well that changed
    You remember going to a coffee shop and sitting down with a cigarette and a cup of coffee , well that changed
    I could go on , but it is a long list though.
    Each change came after somebody said WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING?

    So are you saying change these things but not the buying and selling of guns?
    For what it's worth I am not a big fan of TSA boarding procedures. I was/am completely against mandatory no smoking laws in restaurants and bars...and I don't smoke.

    What changes in the buying and selling of guns would have prevented Holmes from mass murdering people?

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you make some valid points

    the first round of gun control was directed at freed slaves

    the second major wave was directed at "Papist" immigrants from places like Ireland and Italy. (the sullivan law was passed to protect the Irish cops in NYC who were shaking down Italian Longshoremen)

    fear of black criminals with guns is a major driving force behind suburban housewife support for gun control
    I think this is a separate debate that isn't really that important in this matter. Throughout the history of this country, many of our citizens have taken it upon themselves to own guns and take advantage of advanced weapons technology. There will always be the debate of whether or not the advantages of protecting gun ownership outweigh the disadvantages, as your examples illustrate.

    I think this is a different debate, because we're talking about a crazy 24 year old who purchased thousands of rounds of ammunition and a semi-automatic assault rifle that has no purpose other than to kill human beings. There are no advantages of allowing anybody who has an internet connection to stockpile assault weapons and ammunition. What would be the problem with restricting the sale of guns like this? When you mentioned the citizens who used guns to prevent or stop violent attacks, did any of them need 6,000 rounds of ammunition and a semi-automatic assault rifle?

    Wasn't it earlier that this month the GOP found Holder in contempt of congress because they were disgusted with his oversight of a program that allowed weapons like this to fall into the hands of criminals? Why was it that in that case conservatives acknowledged that the availability of these guns would cause or increase senseless violence and could not be permitted to fall into the wrong hands, but here we are a few weeks later and conservatives have already slipped back into "guns don't kill people, people kill people" mode?
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    First of all the current gun control system isn't working, so change it or are all the intellectuals to busy .... uhh thinking?

    Second of all buying guns off the black market may not be that easy they are not exactly as trustworthy as the legal gun dealers are.
    Americans have bought millions of guns -often in reaction to clinton and Obama. yet the crime rate has gone down despite the fact that most states now allow CCW permits. Sarah Brady and other scum claimed that the CCW licenses would lead to blood in the streets-a silly prediction that now has become a bald faced lie. She and other scum claimed that the sunset of the clinton gun ban would cause tons of deaths-again not true.

    so the laws seem to be working. Less accidental shootings and intentional killings even with 20 million or more guns in private hands

    I suspect you really don't have a proposed solution-you just FEEL that SOMETHING has to be done

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    When you start killing people, the police tend to show up.

    You have never seen a beta mag have you? only someone ignorant would say you stuff it under a coat. It looks NOTHING LIKE a standard "banana" magazine which generally cannot function with more than about 40 rounds

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    Huh, that looks like something your typical sports shooter or self defender would need.

    Let me assume you have never carried an M16 under your coat
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I know gun laws inside and out. I also know what works and what does not. So tell me your solution since you obviously feel a need to change something.

    what would I change

    1) eliminate gun free zones

    2) find out why the emergency exit was such that this nutcase could go out of it-prop it open and come back into it without anyone knowing about it
    So you know gun control inside and out huh?
    So tell me great one how does the nut jobs keep getting guns legal?

    So protestors could carry guns then?

    Emergency exits don't kill people, people with guns do.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    I think this is a separate debate that isn't really that important in this matter. Throughout the history of this country, many of our citizens have taken it upon themselves to own guns and take advantage of advanced weapons technology. There will always be the debate of whether or not the advantages of protecting gun ownership outweigh the disadvantages, as your examples illustrate.

    I think this is a different debate, because we're talking about a crazy 24 year old who purchased thousands of rounds of ammunition and a semi-automatic assault rifle that has no purpose other than to kill human beings. There are no advantages of allowing anybody who has an internet connection to stockpile assault weapons and ammunition. What would be the problem with restricting the sale of guns like this? When you mentioned the citizens who used guns to prevent or stop violent attacks, did any of them need 6,000 rounds of ammunition and a semi-automatic assault rifle?

    Wasn't it earlier that this month the GOP found Holder in contempt of congress because they were disgusted with his oversight of a program that allowed weapons like this to fall into the hands of criminals? Why was it that in that case conservatives acknowledged that the availability of these guns would cause or increase senseless violence and could not be permitted to fall into the wrong hands, but here we are a few weeks later and conservatives have already slipped back into "guns don't kill people, people kill people" mode?
    I don't bother reading any further when you spew crap like the only purpose for owning a rifle like that is to kill other people

    I have at least 6000 rounds of ammo because I buy 22 target ammo in lots of 5000 and 9mm and 556 Ammo in lots of 1000 because I and my family shoot 10-20,000 rounds a year

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