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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    The gun club is a private concern as far as I understand the situation. The owner made a judgement call; it was his right to do so and more importantly his responsibility to the other members of the club. This was a responsible and level headed act and more people should act within their social conscience in these and similar matters.
    Totally agree. Still, if he reports something like that to the police they don't have enough to obtain a warrant or to set up surveillance. If someone is judged to be actively suspicious as this range owner judged there should be some standard to tell some kind of authorities, "Hey, might want to keep an eye on this one". I mean, we have a flagging system for books and other purchases so why not that really freaky individual that is borderline.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you make some valid points

    the first round of gun control was directed at freed slaves

    the second major wave was directed at "Papist" immigrants from places like Ireland and Italy. (the sullivan law was passed to protect the Irish cops in NYC who were shaking down Italian Longshoremen)

    fear of black criminals with guns is a major driving force behind suburban housewife support for gun control
    Oh, I agree with you. The piont we've reached ion our society however is; we gotta do something to stem the tide. I mean, it's getting nothing but crazier. For instance, I bought my M1 carbine before the Calif ban on assault weapons, and this state, anything over a 10 round clip is illegal. Moreover, at our public ranges, one has to wait a full 3 seconds between rounds. I don't see how those kinds of controls does anything but simply put everybody on notice.

    I mean; look: if something were to really go down, requiring every able bodied guy / gal . . . (oops), don't you think that general recruitment into instant militias and access to armories would happen forthwith? (where ya' get all the toys ya' need) I just think that it only makes good sense; particulalry in urban and heavily populated suburban areas to quell the John Wayne exageration which seems to be a driving force in conservative circles.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    You rasie an excellent point, and I have argued that for some time. This guy obviously had more than one 30 round clip. People don't need 30 round clips, that stuff is for military work, but, like all his body armor, he bought that stuff online, and had it dropped off at his door!

    You shouldn't be able to get that junk anywhere! What are doing? going to the range for some rapid fire fun? I mean, it's silly, impracticle for general society, and as we have known for some time now - extremely dangerous! A point that has just been driven home to our hearts with profound accuracy.

    the 30 round magazine is standard issue for police and military. that alone makes it useful and proper for civilians to have it

    and competition shooters use Beta C mags.

    in most cases a C mag is too bulky for the sort of stuff criminals want to do

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    First of all it is you who said armed response to the active shooter not I.

    Second of all evedently 4 Background checks is not good enough. They said the same about the Virginia Tech shooter something about paperwork and red tape.

    I can not speak for others but in a country where you have to take a drivers test before you get a drivers licence , but if your background is good you can buy 3 guns and plenty of ammunition no problem.

    First of all papers can be forged sexcond of all if a gun dealer wants to make money he can "let it slide do the background later" Just as long as the sale goes through

    . No need making it too difficult for a person to buy guns after all the 2nd amendment stands firm , hasn't been changed that much since the Brady bill but it stands. People have changed though there are more crazy disturbed people out there.

    I once made a prediction during a debate just after the Virginia Tech killings I'd hope I was wrong but I said there would be another nut with a gun and some innocent dead people left behind. I pray I am wrong but if nothing in gun control changes there will be another nut with a gun leaving innocent people dead.

    so if a person has a clean record and no court history of mental incompetence just what is your solution

    if you buy more than one handgun within 5 business days from the same dealer the ATF has to be notified.

    You seem to be one of those people who cannot fathom a problem without a tidy neat packaged solution

    in this case there is none and many of us realize that rather than flying off the handle and screaming that WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Following those assassinations and the riots of 1965 and 1968, I don’t see how this 1968 Act is “political” in the sense that you raise it. Gun control in this country, as a cause for legislation goes back to II Amendment. From the GA handgun ban of 1837 (unsuccessful) to the “Black Codes” of 1865 all the way up to the 1999 Los Angeles county Gun Show Ban, such laws have shown to always be in the interest of – editing – the availability of certain firearms, and all firearms for the criminal element or the insane. It’s always been about public safety: I mean, even “The Black Codes” were sort of a stop gap designed to prevent what was thought to be a coming black uprising; which of course never happened, but therein you have an extremely conservative society acting in behalf of what they thought was the public good.

    So, gun control laws are just as much a part of American history as the gun itself. I’ve never heard any credible left-wing source demanding a ban in all guns; just the stuff that ordinary people really don’t need, or the stuff that elements of our society shouldn’t have like addicts that don’t need heroin.
    Thank you, I've been waiting for someone to bring that up.

    Seems, like everytime I mention a tighter gun control somebody automaticly brands me as anti gun, or thinks I want to do away with all guns in America .

    This is simply not true I can not speak for others who want stricter gun control but for me I say put the guns in the hands of responsible honest people and take them away from nut jobs by making it harder for them to get.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    Thank you, I've been waiting for someone to bring that up.

    Seems, like everytime I mention a tighter gun control somebody automaticly brands me as anti gun, or thinks I want to do away with all guns in America .

    This is simply not true I can not speak for others who want stricter gun control but for me I say put the guns in the hands of responsible honest people and take them away from nut jobs by making it harder for them to get.

    well I am all ears-(or eyes I should say) tell me how you plan on doing this without infringing on my rights and the rights of other responsible people

    and tell me that your scheme will not be easily avoided by those who want guns going to the black market

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    1) no one was armed in that area
    Totally unsupported assumption. In fact, at *least* one bystander was armed ... and came close to shooting the old dude who actually disarmed Loughner. Armed bystander's reaction in Ariz. shootings illustrates complexity of gun debate - The Denver Post

    In fact, you don't even need a permit for concealed carry in AZ. How'd that help?

    2) in a church in colorado a woman with a pistol wounded the active shooter-he then killed himself
    Um, she was actually there as security.

    3) in another active shooter case at a school, teacher got a pistol and captured the shooter
    I think we'll need to see some links from now on....

    4) in cincinnati, a killer shot a woman jogging. a guy who had a loaded pistol in his car (a gray area since there was no CCW permit at the time) chased the killer down at gun point and took him prisoner until the cops arrived.
    Maybe....

    how would a guy with a 100 round magazine been able to get that close to Giffords?
    Folding stock and long shirt or coat? As it was he was armed with two 33-round clips.

    how was the Aurora shooter able to exit an emergency exit and come back in without alarms being sounded
    What possible relevance?

    why did he choose a gun free zone
    I guess he assumed there would be guns or he wouldn't have been wearing head-to-toe body armor.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    well I am all ears-(or eyes I should say) tell me how you plan on doing this without infringing on my rights and the rights of other responsible people

    and tell me that your scheme will not be easily avoided by those who want guns going to the black market
    What is the difference between the black market and the NRA controling gun legislation? Either way, the guns are getting into the wrong hands.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Totally unsupported assumption. In fact, at *least* one bystander was armed ... and came close to shooting the old dude who actually disarmed Loughner. Armed bystander's reaction in Ariz. shootings illustrates complexity of gun debate - The Denver Post

    In fact, you don't even need a permit for concealed carry in AZ. How'd that help?



    Um, she was actually there as security.



    I think we'll need to see some links from now on....



    Maybe....



    Folding stock and long shirt or coat? As it was he was armed with two 33-round clips.



    What possible relevance?



    I guess he assumed there would be guns or he wouldn't have been wearing head-to-toe body armor.

    When you start killing people, the police tend to show up.

    You have never seen a beta mag have you? only someone ignorant would say you stuff it under a coat. It looks NOTHING LIKE a standard "banana" magazine which generally cannot function with more than about 40 rounds

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    Let me assume you have never carried an M16 under your coat

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    What is the difference between the black market and the NRA controling gun legislation? Either way, the guns are getting into the wrong hands.
    another really stupid post

    the congress controls gun legislation the black market is a response to gun legislation

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