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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Holmes had a high-capacity ammunition magazine in the AR-15 assault rifle and he would not have had access to this type of ammunition magazine if the old federal assault weapon ban had not expired in 2004 and fully-automatic and military-style assault weapons that fire more than 10 rounds at a time such as the AR-15 assault rifle are against the law in California.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I will edify you on this

    its simple

    in the 1960s the dems controlled congress, senate, and the White House. But crime became a weakness for the dems and the black race riots gave Nixon and other Republicans an opening to attack a liberal supreme court, and liberal dems who didn't seem much interested in doing much about the rising crime rates

    so the dems came up with a strategy using the assassination of JFK first and later the Robert Kennedy and Dr. King killings. They started using GUN CONTROL as a SHIELD against the GOP attacks. By adopting GUN control the dems could claim they were tough on crime without upsetting a big bloc of their constituents. The Gun Control Act of 1968 was their crowning Jewel is this effort


    up to then, the NRA was mainly a group that trained police, hosted competitions and other such things. But many members of the NRA were able to see the dem strategy for what it was-a political ploy that had no real basis in public safety but rather a strategy that the dems were using to defend against the soft on crime GOP attacks

    so the NRA and other gun groups objected publicly and loudly. They pointed out the real motivation of the dems

    MORE IMPORTANTLY, the NRA and other shooting organizations got organized and political. They started lobbying and supporting pro gun candidates


    this really pissed the dems off. The anti gun dems-those in the big cities where crime was out of control-realized what a formidable foe they had created with their attempt to ward off Nixon's attacks. Dem gun control schemes were introduced to harass gun owners and gun groups. How do we know this? because if you listened to the debate on the Clinton Gun ban, most of the supporters whined about the NRA rather than criminals.

    The AWB and other proposals by turds like Chuck Schummer were nothing more than attempted payback against the NRA

    and its fun watching people who have no clue on this issue whine about what I know.


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    The Gun Control Act of 1968 - "...was enacted for the purpose of keeping firearms out of the hands of those not legally entitled to possess them because of age, criminal background, or incompetence." -- Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms The Act regulates imported guns, expands the gun-dealer licensing and record keeping requirements, and places specific limitations on the sale of handguns. The list of persons banned from buying guns is expanded to include persons convicted of any non-business related felony, persons found to be mentally incompetent, and users of illegal drugs.
    Following those assassinations and the riots of 1965 and 1968, I don’t see how this 1968 Act is “political” in the sense that you raise it. Gun control in this country, as a cause for legislation goes back to II Amendment. From the GA handgun ban of 1837 (unsuccessful) to the “Black Codes” of 1865 all the way up to the 1999 Los Angeles county Gun Show Ban, such laws have shown to always be in the interest of – editing – the availability of certain firearms, and all firearms for the criminal element or the insane. It’s always been about public safety: I mean, even “The Black Codes” were sort of a stop gap designed to prevent what was thought to be a coming black uprising; which of course never happened, but therein you have an extremely conservative society acting in behalf of what they thought was the public good.

    So, gun control laws are just as much a part of American history as the gun itself. I’ve never heard any credible left-wing source demanding a ban in all guns; just the stuff that ordinary people really don’t need, or the stuff that elements of our society shouldn’t have like addicts that don’t need heroin.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Swimming pools kill more children under the age of ten than gun-related accidents and assaults. But nobody cares about swimming pools.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Can you give us some examples of these citizen shooters who took out "active shooters"? How about in the Gabbi Giffords shooting? You realize that gun laws are all but nonexistent in AZ, right? Remember what happened there? Loughner was clubbed over the head with a folding chair and then tackled by a 74-year-old guy. How did they manage that? They took him down when he was ... wait for it ... changing magazines. Good thing he didn't have a 100-round magazine.
    1) no one was armed in that area

    2) in a church in colorado a woman with a pistol wounded the active shooter-he then killed himself

    3) in another active shooter case at a school, teacher got a pistol and captured the shooter

    4) in cincinnati, a killer shot a woman jogging. a guy who had a loaded pistol in his car (a gray area since there was no CCW permit at the time) chased the killer down at gun point and took him prisoner until the cops arrived.

    how would a guy with a 100 round magazine been able to get that close to Giffords?

    how was the Aurora shooter able to exit an emergency exit and come back in without alarms being sounded

    why did he choose a gun free zone

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    Swimming pools kill more children under the age of ten than gun-related accidents and assaults. But nobody cares about swimming pools.
    If only conservatives owned swimming pools it would be high on the dems agenda.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Back to the original topic. I am relieved that this was probably not the action of a politically partisan offender. The OP and some other hacks were champing at the bit to score points by attempting to politicize the issue.

    We are a deeply divided nation. There are fewer things then that would drive the wedge further.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Following those assassinations and the riots of 1965 and 1968, I don’t see how this 1968 Act is “political” in the sense that you raise it. Gun control in this country, as a cause for legislation goes back to II Amendment. From the GA handgun ban of 1837 (unsuccessful) to the “Black Codes” of 1865 all the way up to the 1999 Los Angeles county Gun Show Ban, such laws have shown to always be in the interest of – editing – the availability of certain firearms, and all firearms for the criminal element or the insane. It’s always been about public safety: I mean, even “The Black Codes” were sort of a stop gap designed to prevent what was thought to be a coming black uprising; which of course never happened, but therein you have an extremely conservative society acting in behalf of what they thought was the public good.

    So, gun control laws are just as much a part of American history as the gun itself. I’ve never heard any credible left-wing source demanding a ban in all guns; just the stuff that ordinary people really don’t need, or the stuff that elements of our society shouldn’t have like addicts that don’t need heroin.
    you make some valid points

    the first round of gun control was directed at freed slaves

    the second major wave was directed at "Papist" immigrants from places like Ireland and Italy. (the sullivan law was passed to protect the Irish cops in NYC who were shaking down Italian Longshoremen)

    fear of black criminals with guns is a major driving force behind suburban housewife support for gun control

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThirdTerm View Post
    Holmes had a high-capacity ammunition magazine in the AR-15 assault rifle and he would not have had access to this type of ammunition magazine if the old federal assault weapon ban had not expired in 2004 and fully-automatic and military-style assault weapons that fire more than 10 rounds at a time such as the AR-15 assault rifle are against the law in California.
    You rasie an excellent point, and I have argued that for some time. This guy obviously had more than one 30 round clip. People don't need 30 round clips, that stuff is for military work, but, like all his body armor, he bought that stuff online, and had it dropped off at his door!

    You shouldn't be able to get that junk anywhere! What are doing? going to the range for some rapid fire fun? I mean, it's silly, impracticle for general society, and as we have known for some time now - extremely dangerous! A point that has just been driven home to our hearts with profound accuracy.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I actually am okay with restrictions on citizens who have violent schizophrenia or other dangerous disorders, or allowing citizens a VERY limited "red flag" power if they are willing to sign an affadavit and be held legally liable for their opinion after being in the presence of someone as this range operator has claimed. The only thing is "the guy creeped me out" is too subjective and thus I think there should be a high standard, hence why I favor a flag instead of downright denial for being "a little off".
    The gun club is a private concern as far as I understand the situation. The owner made a judgement call; it was his right to do so and more importantly his responsibility to the other members of the club. This was a responsible and level headed act and more people should act within their social conscience in these and similar matters.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    1) if you actually have read my many posts on this subject I have always said that people should not carry weapons in public until and unless they are well trained. this guy bought those guns after passing FOUR BACKGROUND CHECKS you cannot buy a new gun from a dealer (or a used one from a dealer) without a background check that is why I have little use for so many posts on this subject-they are filled with glaring ignorance of the actual facts
    First of all it is you who said armed response to the active shooter not I.

    Second of all evedently 4 Background checks is not good enough. They said the same about the Virginia Tech shooter something about paperwork and red tape.

    I can not speak for others but in a country where you have to take a drivers test before you get a drivers licence , but if your background is good you can buy 3 guns and plenty of ammunition no problem.

    First of all papers can be forged sexcond of all if a gun dealer wants to make money he can "let it slide do the background later" Just as long as the sale goes through

    . No need making it too difficult for a person to buy guns after all the 2nd amendment stands firm , hasn't been changed that much since the Brady bill but it stands. People have changed though there are more crazy disturbed people out there.

    I once made a prediction during a debate just after the Virginia Tech killings I'd hope I was wrong but I said there would be another nut with a gun and some innocent dead people left behind. I pray I am wrong but if nothing in gun control changes there will be another nut with a gun leaving innocent people dead.
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