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Thread: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    is that your argument for making murder...legal?

    cause it doesn't stop the sick & homicidal?
    Just how twisted does a mind have to be to come up with such a conclusion from saying the laws against murder didn't stop a murderer so laws against guns won't stop one either?

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I look at it this way though, gang members should expect death at any time, they are engaged in a lifestyle that involves killing and being killed. It's not even IMO the same statistic as innocents who bought tickets to be entertained at a movie, kids mostly who are either working or going to school etc. but mainly trying to be good citizens. I really do wish there were seperate statistics to differentiate so that we could see the extent of innocents killed versus criminals.
    You do have a point there.

    If only there weren't so much collateral damage in these gang wars.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    This is my kind of "gun control"; after observing Mr. Holmes behavior a Gun Club owner rejected Holmes' application to join. This speaks to the heart the issue in this situation, whether someone observed and detected aberrant behavior and did something proactive about it. The issues in this thread concerning Mr. Holmes have nothing to do with gun control rather mental heath, conduct and responsibility to act.


    "Aurora shooting suspect James Holmes applied to join a Colorado gun range but never became a member after the owner became concerned over his "bizarre" message and behavior. Holmes said he was not a user of illegal drugs or a convicted felon, so Rotkovich followed up by calling Holmes' apartment to invite him to a mandatory orientation the following week. Rotkovich got Holmes' answering machine and says "it was bizarre -- guttural, freakish at best." Rotkovich left two other messages but eventually told his staff to watch for Holmes at the July 1 orientation and not to accept him into the club."

    Shooting suspect gun club membership rejected - Boston.com
    I actually am okay with restrictions on citizens who have violent schizophrenia or other dangerous disorders, or allowing citizens a VERY limited "red flag" power if they are willing to sign an affadavit and be held legally liable for their opinion after being in the presence of someone as this range operator has claimed. The only thing is "the guy creeped me out" is too subjective and thus I think there should be a high standard, hence why I favor a flag instead of downright denial for being "a little off".
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    I have to say, that I have no idea what that has to do with Morgan Freeman's abilities in front of camera. Jon Voight for instance, is in my view a very very good actor; particulalry since he's gotten older and ahs been playing that "old gruff tough guy" character, but he's about as right-wing as they get: and hideously so!

    I think you're trying to mix apples and oranges here.
    I was kind of joking -- thus the smiley face. But it's obvious that many fans DO take the political positions of artists quite seriously. Just ask Jane Fonda or the Dixie Chicks.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    You do have a point there.

    If only there weren't so much collateral damage in these gang wars.
    That's the tricky part, I do admit that. There was a funeral home fired at here in my city in a driveby, it had to be gang or wannabe related because we overall have very few of those typed of assaults. I think it's pretty stupid to spray randomly and especially callous to fire at a place containing mourners, but you too have a point, innocents caught in crossfire does skew the numbers a bit.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the only thing that works to decrease the numbers of innocents killed by active shooters are armed individuals able to quickly challenge the active shooter

    thus GUN FREE ZONES have been the sites for almost EVERY active shooter case going back years from Charles Whitman Jr, to the guy in the McDonalds (Huber) in California, to Patrick Purdy at a Stockton School, to that guy at Luby's in Texas before Texas had CCW permits. Many of them were schools as well
    So everybody is going to have the right to carry a gun, what about the protestors in front of Wall street?


    I never said anything about gun free zones whether or not they exist in the mind of some nut with a gun is irrelevant.

    The thing that matters is just how easy is it to buy a gun leagally in the U.S?

    Now you could buy a gun from a criminal, but a criminal is not going to even meet with you without a recomindation nobody wants to go to jail for selling guns.
    So, these nut jobs where do they buy 3 guns and a lot of ammunition with a background check looks like some kind of red flag would go up . that is if the background check was done properly?
    Where do these nut jobs go gun shopping WALMART?

    Then there is the fact of the serial numbers each gun has.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    As well, one thing I'd like to know is if this kid was on any anti-depressants, other psychotropic drugs, or even Chantix or any other medications. Many of those have nasty side effects that can often times be worse than the condition they are supposed to alleviate, this kid's break from reality almost fits that profile perfectly.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    So everybody is going to have the right to carry a gun, what about the protestors in front of Wall street?


    I never said anything about gun free zones whether or not they exist in the mind of some nut with a gun is irrelevant.

    The thing that matters is just how easy is it to buy a gun leagally in the U.S?

    Now you could buy a gun from a criminal, but a criminal is not going to even meet with you without a recomindation nobody wants to go to jail for selling guns.
    So, these nut jobs where do they buy 3 guns and a lot of ammunition with a background check looks like some kind of red flag would go up . that is if the background check was done properly?
    Where do these nut jobs go gun shopping WALMART?

    Then there is the fact of the serial numbers each gun has.
    1) if you actually have read my many posts on this subject I have always said that people should not carry weapons in public until and unless they are well trained.

    this guy bought those guns after passing FOUR BACKGROUND CHECKS

    you cannot buy a new gun from a dealer (or a used one from a dealer) without a background check

    that is why I have little use for so many posts on this subject-they are filled with glaring ignorance of the actual facts

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the only thing that works to decrease the numbers of innocents killed by active shooters are armed individuals able to quickly challenge the active shooter
    Can you give us some examples of these citizen shooters who took out "active shooters"? How about in the Gabbi Giffords shooting? You realize that gun laws are all but nonexistent in AZ, right? Remember what happened there? Loughner was clubbed over the head with a folding chair and then tackled by a 74-year-old guy. How did they manage that? They took him down when he was ... wait for it ... changing magazines. Good thing he didn't have a 100-round magazine.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    We already have a thread about whether guns save lives, don't we? Wasn't the point already made that there is no conclusive evidence one way or another?

    Sure, there are examples of bad guys being taken down by armed civilians.
    And then, there are examples of kids getting hold of daddy's gun and killing someone.

    There are no hard and fast answers to this question.

    When it comes down to a choice between more or less liberty, I'd go for the more liberty option, whether it improves on public safety or not.

    But, that's just me.
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