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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    "Control gun owners" for what purpose?

    You're now trying to defend and further articulate an idiotic statement... with more idiocy.


    I guess you think you're making a valid point.

    You're not.
    I will edify you on this

    its simple

    in the 1960s the dems controlled congress, senate, and the White House. But crime became a weakness for the dems and the black race riots gave Nixon and other Republicans an opening to attack a liberal supreme court, and liberal dems who didn't seem much interested in doing much about the rising crime rates

    so the dems came up with a strategy using the assassination of JFK first and later the Robert Kennedy and Dr. King killings. They started using GUN CONTROL as a SHIELD against the GOP attacks. By adopting GUN control the dems could claim they were tough on crime without upsetting a big bloc of their constituents. The Gun Control Act of 1968 was their crowning Jewel is this effort


    up to then, the NRA was mainly a group that trained police, hosted competitions and other such things. But many members of the NRA were able to see the dem strategy for what it was-a political ploy that had no real basis in public safety but rather a strategy that the dems were using to defend against the soft on crime GOP attacks

    so the NRA and other gun groups objected publicly and loudly. They pointed out the real motivation of the dems

    MORE IMPORTANTLY, the NRA and other shooting organizations got organized and political. They started lobbying and supporting pro gun candidates


    this really pissed the dems off. The anti gun dems-those in the big cities where crime was out of control-realized what a formidable foe they had created with their attempt to ward off Nixon's attacks. Dem gun control schemes were introduced to harass gun owners and gun groups. How do we know this? because if you listened to the debate on the Clinton Gun ban, most of the supporters whined about the NRA rather than criminals.

    The AWB and other proposals by turds like Chuck Schummer were nothing more than attempted payback against the NRA

    and its fun watching people who have no clue on this issue whine about what I know.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    This is my kind of "gun control"; after observing Mr. Holmes behavior a Gun Club owner rejected Holmes' application to join. This speaks to the heart the issue in this situation, whether someone observed and detected aberrant behavior and did something proactive about it. The issues in this thread concerning Mr. Holmes have nothing to do with gun control rather mental heath, conduct and responsibility to act.


    "Aurora shooting suspect James Holmes applied to join a Colorado gun range but never became a member after the owner became concerned over his "bizarre" message and behavior. Holmes said he was not a user of illegal drugs or a convicted felon, so Rotkovich followed up by calling Holmes' apartment to invite him to a mandatory orientation the following week. Rotkovich got Holmes' answering machine and says "it was bizarre -- guttural, freakish at best." Rotkovich left two other messages but eventually told his staff to watch for Holmes at the July 1 orientation and not to accept him into the club."

    Shooting suspect gun club membership rejected - Boston.com

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    I was addressing your attitude toward other posters which, when you are challenged on an issue, is deplorable.

    Indeed, individual freedoms and public safety are two bedrock principals interwoven in American life, some feel there is a nexus between the two and are even contingent upon one. For example, “the rate of firearm deaths among children under age 15 is almost 12 times higher in the United States than in 25 other industrialized countries combined.” (see National Education Association - Health Information Network, Children and Gun Violence).

    Further, “each year, more than 20,000 children and youth under age 20 are killed or injured by firearms in the United States. The lethality of guns, as well as their easy accessibility to young people, are key reasons why firearms are the second leading cause of death among young people ages 10 to 19. Only motor vehicle accidents claim more young lives.” (see http://www.princeton.edu/futureofchi...xecSummary.pdf)

    Should someone hold the view that public safety and individual freedoms are interconnected they have a every good reason to draw that conclusion and every right to express that position.
    I have no use for people who try to infringe on our freedoms-especially ignorant-or worse-dishonest posters. and what I say is the truth. Politicians who push for more gun controls are not motivated by public safety. quoting a dem party organ like the NEA is worthless. MOst of those deaths are due to the war on drugs that the left seems to want to expand to include guns.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    As a self professed 'libertarian' do you not support easing of drug laws and restrictions allowing the individual to make those decisions about usage?
    Of course I do, I studied history and saw what happened during prohibition. End the war on drugs and 80% of the intentional deaths with firearms will go away

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Do you think we would have more or less dope, crack, blow and speed if they weren't illegal? No difference you think?
    we'd have a lot less violence. we could use the BILLIONS we waste on law enforcement, incarceration and prosecution to treat those who cannot handle drugs responsibly. and we'd have a lot less deaths

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Good point. Fresno CA has had 36 gun murders so far this year, according to the local news. That's where it goes, local news, ho, hum, another gang related killing in Fresno, some dude with pants hung to his knees is dead on the street, his rival gangbangers fled in a car, most likely stolen.

    Someone goes into a theater and commits mass murder, and it makes national news.
    I look at it this way though, gang members should expect death at any time, they are engaged in a lifestyle that involves killing and being killed. It's not even IMO the same statistic as innocents who bought tickets to be entertained at a movie, kids mostly who are either working or going to school etc. but mainly trying to be good citizens. I really do wish there were seperate statistics to differentiate so that we could see the extent of innocents killed versus criminals.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Perhaps we need a national discussion in this nation as to what constitutes "arms" as in "the right to keep and bear arms"?

    Yeah - I know - now is not the time and neither is later the right time.
    Ah, my friend you like me want equal rights to discuss what is wrong and how to fix it , but like it or not there is a bit of a pattern going on here

    We ask for Alternative fuel some time ago but oil companies are into politics still talking about alternative fuel.

    We ask for more jobs for the American people but big business and special interest are into politics outsourcing is still increacing.

    We ask for better gun control after the gun killings in Columbine, after Virginia Tech , after Arizona, after a 6 yr old got shot in Flint each time the NRA made a speech and from what I hear gives a large campaign fund for some political party .

    Bottom line; once more somebody with a gun kills people , every question is about the killer except how he got three guns and all of that ammunition?
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Actually that isn't correct. It is well known to criminal profilers and most educated cops that the vast majority of serial killers and mass murderers are white males, typically between 20-35 yo.
    What was telling was the year range proferred, it's ALWAYS been white males 20-35 from a middle class background that are most likely to fit the serial killer/mass murderer profile. The Texas shooter, the Pearl Mississippi school shooter, the Amish school killer, Ted Bundy, Henry Lee Lucas, and on, and on.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    And how does this help the innocent people that have been killed how?

    Have you heard of prevenitive measures?
    the only thing that works to decrease the numbers of innocents killed by active shooters are armed individuals able to quickly challenge the active shooter

    thus GUN FREE ZONES have been the sites for almost EVERY active shooter case going back years from Charles Whitman Jr, to the guy in the McDonalds (Huber) in California, to Patrick Purdy at a Stockton School, to that guy at Luby's in Texas before Texas had CCW permits. Many of them were schools as well

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Actually that isn't correct. It is well known to criminal profilers and most educated cops that the vast majority of serial killers and mass murderers are white males, typically between 20-35 yo.
    I'm talking about the general public.

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