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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    As it turns out, the shooter had an NIH grant, which really is a big deal for a first-year doctoral student. Yet he was underperforming and had dropped out, and what we don't know is why. Has something organic been going on in his brain? Did he crack under the pressure or realize that he didn't have the "right stuff"? We just don't know, and FERPA prevents those in the academic-know from talking about it.
    Wouldn't someone wave their FERPA rights once they grab some guns, stroll into a movie theater, and shoot a bunch of people? Seems to me like they would...but likely, we're just not gonna know till well after the case is settled...and then, maybe a year or 2 from now, we'll get some sort of interview with the kid (which is exactly what he likely wants), in which he explains himself.


    Maybe.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Do you think we would have more or less dope, crack, blow and speed if they weren't illegal? No difference you think?
    I think we would have a radical shift in the TYPES of drugs used....For instance, gone, would be crap like meth, once LSD goes back on the market. I think we would have more designer drugs, drugs made by professionals, with professional results, rather than what we got now.

    Not saying society would be any better off or not...no way to know. History tells me that opium almost destroyed China, that when given the choice, people would rather escape reality, than live in it. Which is it's own sort of bad.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    You cannot say this for sure.

    What did occur was: "Holmes apparently had prepared the attack at the Aurora theater well in advance, receiving multiple deliveries by mail for four months to his home and school and buying thousands of rounds of ammunition on the Internet, Oates said.

    "He had a high volume of deliveries," Oates said. "We think this explains how he got his hands on the magazine, ammunition," he said, as well as the rigged explosives in his apartment.

    "What we're seeing here is evidence of some calculation and deliberation,For months he ordered material to commit this act."
    Police: Colorado suspect planned attack for months
    Yes, there are so many options other than gunfire he could have chose.

    In a theater there are usually only 4 doors and no windows. Blocked the two exit doors from the outside. Make a time release explosion of Ricin easily made from castor beans then place an attachment to prevent opening of the two entrance doors to the theater.

    The only hope in defeating cowards like this is for the public to be forever aware of their surroundings and actions by people whose actions seem inappropriate.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    It may be incorrect premises, but there is no fallacy. It is perfectly possible for two reasonable people to disagree, which is what Conner was showing. It is completely ridiculous for Turtledude to claim persecution!!

    For the record, I am for freedom to own modern firearms, whether or not it "costs some lives".
    It is a fallacy because it presumes accessibility is a "key" factor and I guarantee if I could snap my fingers and make guns disappear, with no memory of them at all, people would still find tools to kill each other with on both individual and mass levels.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    Yes, there are so many options other than gunfire he could have chose.

    In a theater there are usually only 4 doors and no windows. Blocked the two exit doors from the outside. Make a time release explosion of Ricin easily made from castor beans then place an attachment to prevent opening of the two entrance doors to the theater.

    The only hope in defeating cowards like this is for the public to be forever aware of their surroundings and actions by people whose actions seem inappropriate.
    It is impossible to stop people like him. absolutely impossible. The best we can do is seek comprehension on the causes and try to implement inhibitors.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Do you think we would have more or less dope, crack, blow and speed if they weren't illegal? No difference you think?
    I think we'd have more, because right now the only people getting dope, crack, blow, and speed are those who have no issue with breaking the law. If they were legal, those who don't wish to break the law would then have access to them.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    Yes, there are so many options other than gunfire he could have chose.
    We are speaking about Holmes exclusively and no one can say for sure whether he would have chosen any other options.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    I was addressing your attitude toward other posters which, when you are challenged on an issue, is deplorable.

    Indeed, individual freedoms and public safety are two bedrock principals interwoven in American life, some feel there is a nexus between the two and are even contingent upon one. For example, “the rate of firearm deaths among children under age 15 is almost 12 times higher in the United States than in 25 other industrialized countries combined.” (see National Education Association - Health Information Network, Children and Gun Violence).

    Further, “each year, more than 20,000 children and youth under age 20 are killed or injured by firearms in the United States. The lethality of guns, as well as their easy accessibility to young people, are key reasons why firearms are the second leading cause of death among young people ages 10 to 19. Only motor vehicle accidents claim more young lives.” (see http://www.princeton.edu/futureofchi...xecSummary.pdf)

    Should someone hold the view that public safety and individual freedoms are interconnected they have a every good reason to draw that conclusion and every right to express that position.
    Quote Originally Posted by Furiounova View Post
    There is the fallacy that causes discord because it blames "accessibility" which is nothing but a call for new gun laws and we have too many stupid gun laws as it is.
    Quote Originally Posted by Furiounova View Post
    It is a fallacy because it presumes accessibility is a "key" factor and I guarantee if I could snap my fingers and make guns disappear, with no memory of them at all, people would still find tools to kill each other with on both individual and mass levels.


    My post, which for which you base your opinion, speaks only to "children and youth under age 20 are killed or injured by firearms in the United States". It does not address other means and was not intended to. My post and it's content was to support those that held the view there was a nexus between individual freedoms and public safety as a valid viewpoint.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    We are speaking about Holmes exclusively and no one can say for sure whether he would have chosen any other options.

    True. The guns gave him the flair to dress up in his silly costume and watch the killing live as opposed to be in the parking lot pushing the signal to ignite a bomb.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I think we'd have more, because right now the only people getting dope, crack, blow, and speed are those who have no issue with breaking the law. If they were legal, those who don't wish to break the law would then have access to them.
    I agree. Legalizing such drugs would only increase usage... increase the problems that arise from usage .... and increase the misery that drugs can bring.
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