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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    laws effect more than just the homicidal nut.

    they also effect the sane gun-dealer..and the sane ammo-seller...and the sane magazine-seller.

    this guy didn't make his own gun, bullets, and magazines.
    explain then while we have a nation awash in dope, crack, blow and speed

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Then why don't you try buttering your bread with your gun?

    then try shooting skeet with a flyswatter

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    The idiocy of your statements never ceases to amaze.
    the people who push gun control do so to control gun owners for political reasons

    every bad thing someone can do with a gun is sanctioned by substantive criminal law


    the idiocy of those who want to pretend otherwise never ceases to amaze me

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the people who push gun control do so to control gun owners for political reasons
    "Control gun owners" for what purpose?

    You're now trying to defend and further articulate an idiotic statement... with more idiocy.


    every bad thing someone can do with a gun is sanctioned by substantive criminal law

    I guess you think you're making a valid point.

    You're not.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    gun control has nothing to do with public safety
    I was addressing your attitude toward other posters which, when you are challenged on an issue, is deplorable.

    Indeed, individual freedoms and public safety are two bedrock principals interwoven in American life, some feel there is a nexus between the two and are even contingent upon one. For example, “the rate of firearm deaths among children under age 15 is almost 12 times higher in the United States than in 25 other industrialized countries combined.” (see National Education Association - Health Information Network, Children and Gun Violence).

    Further, “each year, more than 20,000 children and youth under age 20 are killed or injured by firearms in the United States. The lethality of guns, as well as their easy accessibility to young people, are key reasons why firearms are the second leading cause of death among young people ages 10 to 19. Only motor vehicle accidents claim more young lives.” (see http://www.princeton.edu/futureofchi...xecSummary.pdf)

    Should someone hold the view that public safety and individual freedoms are interconnected they have a every good reason to draw that conclusion and every right to express that position.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    A most excellent post Connery. Very well said. Thank you for the link and those statistics. They tell a very somber story.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    explain then while we have a nation awash in dope, crack, blow and speed
    As a self professed 'libertarian' do you not support easing of drug laws and restrictions allowing the individual to make those decisions about usage?
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    I was addressing your attitude toward other posters which, when you are challenged on an issue, is deplorable.

    Indeed, individual freedoms and public safety are two bedrock principals interwoven in American life, some feel there is a nexus between the two and are even contingent upon one. For example, “the rate of firearm deaths among children under age 15 is almost 12 times higher in the United States than in 25 other industrialized countries combined.” (see National Education Association - Health Information Network, Children and Gun Violence).

    Further, “each year, more than 20,000 children and youth under age 20 are killed or injured by firearms in the United States. The lethality of guns, as well as their easy accessibility to young people, are key reasons why firearms are the second leading cause of death among young people ages 10 to 19. Only motor vehicle accidents claim more young lives.” (see http://www.princeton.edu/futureofchi...xecSummary.pdf)

    Should someone hold the view that public safety and individual freedoms are interconnected they have a every good reason to draw that conclusion and every right to express that position.
    I think it is safe to say that gun control wouldn't have prevented this tradegy. He wanted to kill a high number of people and there are other options he could have pursued.

    Unfortunately we live with such a high number of idiots in this country we have to put a warning on a baby stroller to remove the child before folding the stroller. Same thing with guns. You and I were probably taught by fathers and grandfathers to respect a gun and always be aware of the areas around our targets.
    I think the role model for some type of gun control is the moron a few years back who let a 8 year old boy shoot a Uzi submachine gun that immediately recoiled upward shooting him in the head. This is the crowd that has to be reminded to remove the child from the stoller.

    I have guns myself and want my right to own. How do you allow the law abiding gun intelligent Americans to purchase guns and prevent the morons is the $64,000 questions which I believe nobody has the answer.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    What's starting to worry me is not what kind of impact this incident is going to have on gun laws.

    What's starting to worry me is that already, the killer is being described as a very bright person who happened to be a loner and a recluse. Deja vu? Remember, we heard that from the Columbine killers, and that was right down the road from this theater. I really, really hope that that isn't cited as some sort of contributing factor, because we already have enough stigmas in our society as is.
    It will have no impact on gun laws. The right has solidly won this issue for quite a while now. It would one of these horrific events to happen on a weekly basis for a year for any sea change in this dynamic. Either that or somebody shoot 70 members of Congress while they are gathered together. We know that shooting just one doesn't cause any movement.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    I was addressing your attitude toward other posters which, when you are challenged on an issue, is deplorable.

    Indeed, individual freedoms and public safety are two bedrock principals interwoven in American life, some feel there is a nexus between the two and are even contingent upon one. For example, “the rate of firearm deaths among children under age 15 is almost 12 times higher in the United States than in 25 other industrialized countries combined.” (see National Education Association - Health Information Network, Children and Gun Violence).

    Further, “each year, more than 20,000 children and youth under age 20 are killed or injured by firearms in the United States. The lethality of guns, as well as their easy accessibility to young people, are key reasons why firearms are the second leading cause of death among young people ages 10 to 19. Only motor vehicle accidents claim more young lives.” (see http://www.princeton.edu/futureofchi...xecSummary.pdf)

    Should someone hold the view that public safety and individual freedoms are interconnected they have a every good reason to draw that conclusion and every right to express that position.
    There is the fallacy that causes discord because it blames "accessibility" which is nothing but a call for new gun laws and we have too many stupid gun laws as it is.

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