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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    When psychopaths want to kill they will find a way... with guns they only kill more people faster, that's all.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    suppression of the enemy's movement is the main reason for assault rifles with a "giggle switch"
    No doubt an important reason.

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    In 1948, the Army organized the civilian Operations Research Office, mirroring similar operations research organizations in the United Kingdom. One of their first efforts, Project ALCLAD, studied body armor and the conclusion was that they would need to know more about battlefield injuries in order to make reasonable suggestions.[20] Over 3 million battlefield reports from World War I and World War II were analyzed and over the next few years they released a series of reports on their findings.[20]

    The conclusion was that most combat takes place at short range. In a highly mobile war, combat teams ran into each other largely by surprise; and the team with the higher firepower tended to win. They also found that the chance of being hit in combat was essentially random; accurate "aiming" made little difference because the targets no longer sat still. The number one predictor of casualties was the total number of bullets fired.[20] Other studies of behavior in battle revealed that many U.S. infantrymen (as many as 2/3) never actually fired their rifles in combat. By contrast, soldiers armed with rapid fire weapons were much more likely to have fired their weapons in battle.[21] These conclusions suggested that infantry should be equipped with a fully automatic rifle of some sort in order to increase the actual firepower of regular soldiers. It was also clear, however, that such weapons dramatically increased ammunition use and in order for a rifleman to be able to carry enough ammunition for a firefight he would have to carry something much lighter.

    Existing rifles met none of these criteria. Although it appeared the new 7.62*mm T44 (precursor to the M14) would increase the rate of fire, its heavy 7.62*mm NATO cartridge made carrying significant quantities of ammunition difficult. Moreover, the length and weight of the weapon made it unsuitable for short range combat situations often found in jungle and urban combat or mechanized warfare, where a smaller and lighter weapon could be brought to bear faster.

    These efforts were noticed by Colonel René Studler, U.S. Army Ordnance's Chief of Small Arms Research and Development. Col. Studler asked the Aberdeen Proving Ground to submit a report on the smaller caliber weapons. A team led by Donald Hall, director of program development at Aberdeen, reported that a .22*inch (5.56*mm) round fired at a higher velocity would have performance equal to larger rounds in most combat.[22] With the higher rate of fire possible due to lower recoil it was likely such a weapon would inflict more casualties on the enemy. His team members, notably William C. Davis,*Jr. and Gerald A. Gustafson, started development of a series of experimental .22 (5.56*mm) cartridges. In 1955, their request for further funding was denied.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    actually on this topic you are pretty much getting pwned

    why don't you explain your support of the second amendment and how picturing slain victims of mass murderers as "MARTYRS OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT" shows support of the constitutional right
    I have no idea what you are talking about. I suspect you do not either.

    How does honoring the people slain equate to being against the Second Amendment? That is really upside down and backwards thinking.

    One can both support the Second Amendment and decry those killed. They are NOT mutually exclusive positions..... at least not to the non extremist.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post
    When psychopaths want to kill they will find a way... with guns they only kill more people faster, that's all.

    yet those active shooters are way behind other sick nuts when it comes to body counts

    9-11, the Murrow building bombing and a dominican night club in NYC involving one pissed off latino and his gallon of gasoline all were way ahead of the shooting bezerkers

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Awesome, as always, even if his role was relatively small.
    Would your opinion of Mr. Freeman's performance change if you knew that he recently contributed $1 million to Obama's superPAC?
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    Actually, it does not. You're point is that is that it is America's gun culture which is primarily responsible for incidents such as the one at hand.

    You are dead wrong.
    Could you quote me on that?

    My point is that nothing will stop these sorts of incidents until the pervasive influence of the gun culture in America is curtailed. The article you gave us even uses the previous one I referred to as the seminal work on the topic..... great American historian Richard Hofstadter writing for American Heritage. Maybe you should read it and see if he documents your alleged claim of American long FASCINATION with guns. Here is a clue: he never mentions such a thing. He talks about Americans using guns as practical tools for defense and hunting but he never mentions you theory of FASCINATION.

    Imagine that. But then he is an eminent and respected American historian and not a ideologue believing what he wants to believe simply because he has made a decision to believe it. With men like him history is more of a study of facts and reality rather than a religious like system of faith and belief. Perhaps you can learn from that?

    Or not.

    But after reading several of your posts I can see how you became confused.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I have no idea what you are talking about. I suspect you do not either.

    How does honoring the people slain equate to being against the Second Amendment? That is really upside down and backwards thinking.

    One can both support the Second Amendment and decry those killed. They are NOT mutually exclusive positions..... at least not to the non extremist.
    the fact that you think linking murder victims with the second amendment pretty well proves all we say


    I can decry those who have been defrauded or slandered and support the first amendment

    never would I claim slander victims or those conned out of their life savings were VICTIMS of the FIRST Amendment

    and children sodomized by perverted priests are not victims of the first amendment either


    you see-I blame criminals not rights

    you apparently have a different perspective

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    does that guy get the fools' gold then?
    Uh, no: he's the guy that thinks fools gold is gold.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the fact that you think linking murder victims with the second amendment pretty well proves all we say


    I can decry those who have been defrauded or slandered and support the first amendment

    never would I claim slander victims or those conned out of their life savings were VICTIMS of the FIRST Amendment

    and children sodomized by perverted priests are not victims of the first amendment either


    you see-I blame criminals not rights

    you apparently have a different perspective
    Yup - I sure do have a different perspective. You are on record as stating that guns are a pure good. WHich is beyond stupid. It is the statement of a true believer and a non thinker.

    I take the position that guns are mostly a force for good although they can do great harm and there is no shortage of examples.... these ugly incidents being examples from reality.

    After being exposed to the way you.. what would be the word now..... oh yes... the way you 'think' I can see how the subtleties and nuances of such a position completely escape you. Rigid ideologues tend to make those sort of errors.

    You see Turtle, in your skewed system of self imposed beliefs, one either brags about thousands of hours on the range firing dozens of their favorite weapons that describe like a sexy woman or else they are gun grabbers who would urinate on the Second Amendment while using the NRA monthly magazine to wipe up vomit. For you there is no in between.

    And that is sad.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Would your opinion of Mr. Freeman's performance change if you knew that he recently contributed $1 million to Obama's superPAC?
    You appear to have mistaken me for some partisan hack whose every viewpoint revolves around party politics. You must not know me very well yet.


    No. My interest in actors is their acting talent. I don't particularly care what their politics are, any more than I ask my dentist if my truck needs a new radiator.

    Morgan Freeman is a very good actor with the ability to project an awesome screen presence into any role, and that is the venue within which I value him. What party or candidate he supports is his concern.

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