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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Damnit Jim (captain Kirk), I am a doctor not a magician!!!
    nor a debater it would seem either.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You have an unsupported opinion. I can see why Turtle gave it a like.

    I have no case about what exactly?
    Actually, if Turtle supports it, then, by definition, that would make it a supported opinion.


    BTW: It is you who are presenting an unsupported opinion with this ridiculous rebuttal.

    Next time, come back with an actual argument or don't come back at all.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    The United States was borne of guns, the west was settled through the use of guns, the agrarian South depended on guns. Like it or not guns made the United States possible; guns forced the reunification of the Southern States; it's always been guns.

    I grew up with guns. I have early memories of going squirrel hunting with my father and grandfather. My friends were no different. I never much thought about it. I don't recall anyone locking up gun racks - we didn't know anyone with gun safes.

    The United States has been at war, almost constantly. We are a culture of people who have readily taken up guns. Good? Bad? Just the way it is. But, if you have learned to enjoy shooting and enjoy guns why would you not be fascinated with them. I have a few guns that, as far as self defense, aren't much better than a BFR, but I keep them and clean them and shoot them from time to time.
    You have made my point for me that America is steeped in the gun culture. Thank you.

    But having taken a step in that direction I see absolutely NOTHING in there about any proof of the charge of FASCINATION. Why is that missing?
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    Actually, if Turtle supports it, then, by definition, that would make it a supported opinion.


    BTW: It is you who are presenting an unsupported opinion with this ridiculous rebuttal.

    Next time, come back with an actual argument or don't come back at all.
    No. You confuse LIKE with SUPPORT. They are two different things. Perhaps a good dictionary may help you gain this knowledge of the difference? But then of course you would have to apply yourself to the mastery of the two different concepts.

    Turtle liked it because it reminded him of his own mile high stack of unsupported pompous pontifications. He was simply recognizing a fellow worshipper before the same altar chanting the same mantra.

    Again, you charged that America had been fascinated with guns from its inception and we have seen nothing from you documenting that. Your impotence to do so shows your rather limited debate skills. There are books which can help with that also.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post

    Again, you charged that America had been fascinated with guns from its inception and we have seen nothing from you documenting that. Your impotence to do so shows your rather limited debate skills. There are books which can help with that also.
    Obviously, you are a cerebral eunuch in this area. Why do you bother to post about a subject which you know nothing about?

    For starters:

    Gun culture - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    nor a debater it would seem either.
    I guess I am more than your match then

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    Obviously, you are a cerebral eunuch in this area. Why do you bother to post about a subject which you know nothing about?

    For starters:

    Gun culture - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    that is the line of the day

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    No. You confuse LIKE with SUPPORT. They are two different things. Perhaps a good dictionary may help you gain this knowledge of the difference? But then of course you would have to apply yourself to the mastery of the two different concepts.

    Turtle liked it because it reminded him of his own mile high stack of unsupported pompous pontifications. He was simply recognizing a fellow worshipper before the same altar chanting the same mantra.

    Again, you charged that America had been fascinated with guns from its inception and we have seen nothing from you documenting that. Your impotence to do so shows your rather limited debate skills. There are books which can help with that also.
    why do you pretend you have any clue why I did something.

    when it comes to guns Haymarket-your posts tend to suffer from a paucity of rational arguments and tend to rely on psychobabble.

    You sort of lost all credibility when you wanted to erect a monument to the second amendment using people who had been killed or maimed by CRIMINALS.


    it was as stupid as having a monument to the 14th Amendment and picturing whites killed by black criminals

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    This is what happens when you give a crazy person guns. First that teabagger shoots congresswoman giffords and now this guy. Whne will people learn.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    I think that your argument is silly: we're not a gun culture perse'. We never have been. We were born out of age when there was lots of room and no cops. Not many poeple carried or even owned guns in urban American, then or now. A "gun culture" of sorts was born out of old west tales and John wayne. The right-wing has pushed an agenda that the II Amendment is somehow under some sort of threat, which is just nonsenes. If we spent more time taking care of our lawns and neighborhoods, and just started using common sense, all this "gun stuff" would just go away.
    Old west tales? I can take you to a few old saloons here in Arizona and show you bullet holes in the ceiling. I'm thinking you haven't read a great deal about the old west.

    Growing up in Georgia I carried snake loads in the summer to keep the cotton mouths and such from coming up from the creek toward the house.

    Ever have a favorite saw or drill or hammer? Most of us have and do. In fact, you likely know the difference between a framing hammer and a tack hammer and why you need several different kinds of hammers, if you like to do manual labor on your house and land. I swear some framing hammers are better than others. I have my favorite. I even have a brass framed folding yard stick. I don't know how old that thing is. I marvel at it from time to time when I rediscover it in a drawer on my work bench. You don't see craftsmanship like that these days. They are all tools.

    Guns are tools and have been tools in America since whenever they brought guns over. I can recall when I was finally given permission by my father to shoot a .308. It was a big thrill. It was a huge thrill the first time I fam fired a .50 cal. I called home that night and told my dad I had fired a .50! Later, I qualified with a .50 cal. It was a moment I remember, not to mention being a hell of a lot of fun. It was another tool I had learned to use.

    In many ways, in the US, learning to shoot has been a right of passage for young men. If it wasn't within your experience I am truly sorry you missed it.
    Last edited by Risky Thicket; 07-21-12 at 10:14 PM. Reason: passage for passing. I ignored the rest of the errors.

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