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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Why do you think the United States transitioned from the 7.62 to the 5.56?
    Primarily to save weight. Firing more light bullets was found to produce more casualties than firing fewer heavy bullets.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Primarily to save weight. Firing more light bullets was found to produce more casualties than firing fewer heavy bullets.
    So, switching to a round with a quarter of the stopping power was just to allow troops to carry more ammo? Good thing, because it would take three times as many rounds to kill an enemy.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Disputatious71 View Post
    The initial reports make this sound organized and planned, if more than one shooter I personally suspect jihadi or similar anti-western / anti-American motivation. Too many dead and injured, my prayers go out to all the effected people and families.
    ah, not this time, try again sometime.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Your antedotal evidence is questionable, so why don't you provide a link?
    Because I found them to be credible sources and never bothered to check behind them. However, I Googled and there's nothing about it other than message board arguments, so what kind of a link would you want?
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The olympics would disagree with you. ;-)
    So would rubber bullets.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Okay, I'm convinced.
    I'm heartbroken that you don't believe it. Really.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the problem with your question is that there is no middle between those who want to ban guns for the sake of banning guns being confused for those who really want to stop crime. Most of the laws being proposed (in addition to laws that ban criminals, the insane, the addicted, and the youth from possessing guns and the laws that ban any harm you can do with a gun) are intended to hassle honest people or will only hassle honest people. For example, limits on how many guns you can buy a month ONLY targets those who can pass a background check because criminals CANNOT BUY ANY GUN in a month.
    Baloney. The problem with your statement is that you are admittedly on one extreme end and you see that as the only realistic place to be. People like you Turtle are part of the problem. The gun culture produces people who worship guns to the point where they sound like they are talking about a gorgeous woman or having sex rather than firearms sometimes.

    Such a gun culture produces someone with your mentality and attitude. Such a gun culture produces extremes that fail the nation and its people. Such a gun culture produces event after event year after year after year here in the USA while no other nation suffers the same problem with such regularity.

    This has happend before many many many times. Many innocents have died. Many have been sacrificed so that the gun culture can reign nearly supreme in todyas political climate.

    And it will happen again and again and again. And the next time it happens you can make more jokes about anal gang rape and killing a person in that manner. And perhaps you will feel better for it.

    But it will happen again despite your sick jokes.
    We have to change our culture.Why is America such a strong gun culture more so than any other developed civilized nation in the world? Give an honest answer to that and we can start having a discussion.

    Which very few if any on the right really want to have.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Primarily to save weight. Firing more light bullets was found to produce more casualties than firing fewer heavy bullets.
    somewhat true but by the end of WWII, the thinking was that infantry would no longer be the main method of inflicting casualties-rather artillery and airpower was. The Russian tactics in Stalingrad of using massive submachine gun fire to prevent movement and to allow artillery to pound the pinned down germans was noted by everyone. the thinking became 30 rounds of 556 is going to be more suppressive than 20 rounds of M 14-which were almost worthless in full auto anyway

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Uh, bullets are the projectiles fired from guns and thats not a generalization, its a fact.
    Nope. You can fire bullets, blanks, rubber bullets, shotguns can fire slugs, shells, bean bag rounds, etc. I didn't say bullets specifically for a reason.
    Guns only have one purpose and that is to fire bullets and bullets are designed to kill, therefore so are guns.
    Also incorrect. Bean bag rounds and rubber bullets are designed to stop agressive actions, warning shots are designed to stop agression.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post

    But it will happen again despite.
    And if you take away the guns, the James Holmeses of the world will simply use bombs.

    The awful truth is that there is no security against this sort of insanity.
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