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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    Your assessment is both overly broad and far too simplistic. I used to carry a firearm until I stopped. In certain areas a firearm is is necessary, such as the wilderness where human population is low. In a crowded metropolitan area a firearm is can be a danger, especially when law enforcement is readily available. Moreover, there are two type of people that should not carry at all; those who are crazy and those who act irresponsibly. I do not wish to make gun control an issue, but, when firearms are made available too easily the crazy and irresponsible ones seem to the ones who are committing heinous acts with these weapons.

    I never heard of a crazed killer ask someone if they were "on the right" or "on the left" before shooting them. Perhaps political perspectives are a non issue here and public safety is the issue at hand.
    I find that overly broad and simplistic. Cops are not usually available in the two or three minutes it takes someone to mug, brutalize or assault you.

    why don't you tell us what laws would solve the problems you have noted without duly burdening us who are both responsible and sane?

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    I think carrying a gas can into a movie you might get noticed plus you can smell gas.
    Next question?
    So would a gun...oh, wait...this guy didn't cruise through the front door with a weapon. Did he?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    not really-we water board jihadists who did far less

    we also know what motivates jihadists
    You have no idea what you're talking about.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Furiounova View Post
    You know dam well I never said I want to outlaw guns and this is the kind of garbage that makes the entire purpose here meaningless.
    Ok, well thanks for answering the question.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Tell that to the people who took down Jared Loughner. None of them had guns.

    My point though, is that it's just as despicable to use this as an excuse to campaign for getting rid of gun free zones as it is to use it to campaign for more gun control.

    gun free zones have no value other than making a killing zone safer for an active killer. places that do not prevent CCW holders have not seen as much killing as gun free zones

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    really? these sort of shootings are rather rare in a society as big as ours.
    Public shootings are more common than what people think because they assume if it isn't on the news it isn't happening.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    I think carrying a gas can into a movie you might get noticed plus you can smell gas.
    Next question?
    They didn't notice Holmes until he chemical bombed the theater, that actually has a more noxious smell than gasoline. And if the gas is contained properly you may never even notice it's presence until it's too late.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I find that overly broad and simplistic. Cops are not usually available in the two or three minutes it takes someone to mug, brutalize or assault you.

    why don't you tell us what laws would solve the problems you have noted without duly burdening us who are both responsible and sane?
    Allowing cops to be cops is the first place to start.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I am not advocating an unarmed society. I am not advocating that we all be armed and carry.

    I am not a person who wants to ban guns or ammunition and take away the guns of current owners.
    I am not a NRA member who puts up centerfolds of the latest and greatest high powered rifle.

    Is there not some place in the middle where people can advocate for responsible gun ownership but yet have reasonable laws which protect society from turning into Deadwood?
    the problem with your question is that there is no middle between those who want to ban guns for the sake of banning guns being confused for those who really want to stop crime. Most of the laws being proposed (in addition to laws that ban criminals, the insane, the addicted, and the youth from possessing guns and the laws that ban any harm you can do with a gun) are intended to hassle honest people or will only hassle honest people. For example, limits on how many guns you can buy a month ONLY targets those who can pass a background check because criminals CANNOT BUY ANY GUN in a month.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    That is true. Diesel is even worse, it doesn't burn as hot so the fire effect lasts longer. Anyone who disagrees should see the aftermath of a pump ignition at a gas station.
    gasoline, Tide laundry detergent and vasoline.

    a pipe, fertilizer, diesel fuel, a model rocket igniter and a 9 volt battery.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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