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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What perspective should we put them in? An outright ban?
    Why do you ask dishonest questions that I have already answered before they were ever asked? Your answer was in the portion of my post you reporduced. Like my kids used to say as teenagers...... DUH.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    And on a slightly different, but related point, assault rifles such as the M-16 were designed specifically to wound, not to kill.

    (Different assuming you mean the blank to be "lay down suppression.")
    Yep, exactly right. Full autos are not worthless, but they will suppress better than kill, rideup makes them laughably inaccurate for a majority of shooters, the reason our military went to burst fire was to save money on wasted rounds. The M-16 is designed to different specs as well, the older models had more stopping power, the A4 is more of a defensive "to wound" on target rifle, little tumble, more velocity than it's counterparts meaning less fatal in most circumstances.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Furiounova View Post
    Guns were designed to kill. Period. Claiming a different purpose reveals guilt in denial.
    Swords were designed to kill too. Wanna outlaw those, too?
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Yep. Killing an enemy soldier removes ONE from the battle, wounding removes at least TWO from the fight and requires expensive treatment to keep morale up. ;-)
    Correct, one of the nastiest things Vietcong snipers did was to wound the point man in a battallion and pick off the rest of the soldiers that tried to get him out of the line of fire.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Why do you ask dishonest questions that I have already answered before they were ever asked? Your answer was in the portion of my post you reporduced. Like my kids used to say as teenagers...... DUH.
    Well, go ahead and clarify things for us. Please?
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Well, go ahead and clarify things for us. Please?
    How about making it a little more difficult for disturbed and bad people to get guns?
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Furiounova View Post
    I'm just exploring the disconnect that often leads to premature judgment creating dialogue suicide. After publicized shootings the left wants more gun laws and the right wants more guns with both being too blind to realize they are out of ammo.
    Incorrect, some on the left are calling for gun control while others want a dialogue on how this kid got to the point he came to. A very small minority on the right wants more guns, rather the majority wants people who don't have a full understanding of the arms subject to leave legitimate guns owners and the tools alone. It's that simple. Oh, and the majority on the right ALSO wants to know how this kid came to the violence that was engaged. Both sides rational voices are absolutely disgusted by what happened and that is the appropriate response.

    I've been in your position except it was Chinese stars (even hand made a combo boomerang-CS) and scoped rifles and old hex barrel six shooters. It isn't about obsessing over the derivative purpose but only recognizing nothing can mitigate it and that is why AGs have a hard time believing gunners can also be intellectuals. Both groups need to realize mutual respect is the first order and without that, serious solution frameworks are impossible.
    Everything has a purpose and illicit use. Hammers drive force through objects, swords and knives cut, other tools pierce, bludgeon, tear, rend, etc. but can do so to human or animal flesh as well. Whether someone ****s up another human being with a gun, knife, sword, axe, battle axe, halberd, chinese star, etc. it is a usage, not the purpose. Now, the only thing I know of that is specifically designed to kill is poison, it has no other use.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Furiounova View Post
    I'd be interesting in reading the demographic differences between the US and Canada. What source did you use?
    Are you serious? Surely you can't be.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Well, go ahead and clarify things for us. Please?
    Why do these incidents happen here so often with such regularity while no other single developed and advanced nation has this same problem? Can you answer that honestly?

    I have repeatedly stated that the gun culture in America is unhealthy and places an almost reverential worship of firearms front and center as part of our American mythos. This must change. That is the first step. Guns must be looked at as simple tools - no more and no less.

    This is a cultural problem that must be tackled or else nothing will work and these incidents will continue.

    Why do these incidents happen here so often with such regularity while no other single developed and advanced nation has this same problem?
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Incorrect, some on the left are calling for gun control while others want a dialogue on how this kid got to the point he came to. A very small minority on the right wants more guns, rather the majority wants people who don't have a full understanding of the arms subject to leave legitimate guns owners and the tools alone. It's that simple. Oh, and the majority on the right ALSO wants to know how this kid came to the violence that was engaged. Both sides rational voices are absolutely disgusted by what happened and that is the appropriate response.

    Everything has a purpose and illicit use. Hammers drive force through objects, swords and knives cut, other tools pierce, bludgeon, tear, rend, etc. but can do so to human or animal flesh as well. Whether someone ****s up another human being with a gun, knife, sword, axe, battle axe, halberd, chinese star, etc. it is a usage, not the purpose. Now, the only thing I know of that is specifically designed to kill is poison, it has no other use.
    Not to mention that you could do more damage with a gallon of gasoline than you could ever do with a gun.
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