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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Nope. As I said above, assault rifles -- the M-16 and similar -- were designed specifically to wound.

    Not to mention the various types of ammunition designed to do even less damage, such as rubber bullets. They're designed specifically for non-lethal riot suppression.

    Look, that you didn't know this doesn't make it any less true.
    The M-16 is a type of gun. I am talking about guns. Guns period. As in.....I don't have the patience for this semantic dance so have fun.

    "The increased wounding effects produced by bullet fragmentation were not well understood until the mid-1980’s. Therefore the wounding effects of the original M16 rifle bullet were not an intentional U.S. military design characteristic."
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    Now I want to buy an M1A/M21/M25 even more.

    One man with a scoped rifle would have stopped most of this tragedy.
    That's the most moronic comment in the thread so far, but I'm only at #14.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    OK, but we ALL agree that their is no need for a lawnmower permit, or a circular saw permit. We have plenty of laws to restrict legal sales to criminals, and too many laws to restrict non-criminals from legally carrrying their legally purchased handguns. If I can legally walk down the street with a chainsaw, then I can legally walk down the street with a handgun as long as I obey the laws with either. ;-)
    I remember the famous essay written by the superb historian Richard Hofsteder on American Gun Culture written over forty years ago. I doubt today if it would have a chance in hell of getting published as the right has so succeeded in making gun culture as American as apple pie and motherhood.

    I do NOT think this should be a debate about only laws. It must be a debate about changing american culture so that firearms are not gloried, worshipped or admired the way they are. They should be looked at as utilitarian tools - no more and no less. We will NOT solve the problem of American violence being three times that of Canada - our closest and most similar neighbor - until we get rid of American gun culture.

    I DO NOT want to live in a nation where you or anybody else is openly carrying a gun on the street even if you are obeying the laws. That is simply my preference. You want to get a CCW and have it under your jacket - I can accept that. YOu want a gun in your home for protection - fine and good. You want one in your business for protection against crime - you have my complete support.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hammerskin View Post
    The attacker was an Indian Muslim.

    Just ban the Islamic cancer already.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    and why does crazy and evil find its way far more often in the USA than in any other single society?
    More than which societies? Germany? Spain? Cambodia? Vietnam? North Korea? Bosnia? Serbia? Russia? China? Argentina? El Salvador? Venezuala? Nicaragua? Mexico? Finland? Latvia? Plenty of crazy has gone found it's way in those societies. Lot's societies have way more crazy mother****ers than us.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I remember the famous essay written by the superb historian Richard Hofsteder on American Gun Culture written over forty years ago. I doubt today if it would have a chance in hell of getting published as the right has so succeeded in making gun culture as American as apple pie and motherhood.

    I do NOT think this should be a debate about only laws. It must be a debate about changing american culture so that firearms are not gloried, worshipped or admired the way they are. They should be looked at as utilitarian tools - no more and no less. We will NOT solve the problem of American violence being three times that of Canada - our closest and most similar neighbor - until we get rid of American gun culture.

    I DO NOT want to live in a nation where you or anybody else is openly carrying a gun on the street even if you are obeying the laws. That is simply my preference. You want to get a CCW and have it under your jacket - I can accept that. YOu want a gun in your home for protection - fine and good. You want one in your business for protection against crime - you have my complete support.
    Now, there's a leftist bullet that I haven't heard in a while.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Furiounova View Post
    The M-16 is a type of gun. I am talking about guns. Guns period. As in.....I don't have the patience for this semantic dance so have fun.
    You're giving up and running away; I get it.

    Look, you're wrong. Not all guns are designed to kill. It's a fact. A fact you don't want to acknowledge, but a fact nonetheless.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Furiounova View Post
    The M-16 is a type of gun. I am talking about guns. Guns period. As in.....I don't have the patience for this semantic dance so have fun.

    It's not semantics, it's fact: The 5.56mm ball was developed to wound, not to kill. The logic being, if you wound one man, two other men are taken out of the fight to care for him.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I think we begin to adopt a far more sensible and mature attitude about firearms. We look at them as tools - nothing more and nothing less. We put them in their proper perspectives and quit elevating them to the level of the Holy and the Perfect.

    That would be step one.
    What perspective should we put them in? An outright ban?
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    More than which societies? Germany? Spain? Cambodia? Vietnam? North Korea? Bosnia? Serbia? Russia? China? Argentina? El Salvador? Venezuala? Nicaragua? Mexico? Finland? Latvia? Plenty of crazy has gone found it's way in those societies. Lot's societies have way more crazy mother****ers than us.
    I provided two links for all to look at the facts. The first was a list of murder sprees from around the world and you will note the dominance of the USA on that list. Yes, other nations have had bad incidents of mass murder. But find us one that can match the USA in incident after incident after incident after incident year after year after year after year. The second was the murder rate where America is far worst than most other non third world nations with similar economies such as Canada, Japan, England, Ireland, germany, Spain, Italy and many others.
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