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Canadians Now Richer Than Americans

Originally Posted by Risky Thicket
On the other hand every bartender and waitress in Florida and Arizona knows that Canadians don't tip worth a ****, eh?
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Yeah, Canadians don't really understand tipping as it has evolved in America. They don't know that the server is going to get taxed as if they were tipped whether they leave a tip or not.
 
Catawba said:
A typo does not change the point that the wealthy received bigger tax rate cuts under the Bush tax cuts.
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How do you get 19 from 6.3? You'd think a major news organization would fix such a blaring typo. Afterall, the damage done can be plainly seen. It clearly mislead you. I don't know the validity of the 4% number for the "middle class." Since the article didn't link its source (the media never does), and the first number was way off base, who knows?

Anyways, the whole thing is folly. Of course the wealthy receive a reduction in tax burden from a tax cut; they pay the most. I love how the article tries desperately to make getting a tax cut into a bad thing. Oh no! The middle class tax burden went allll the way up to 19.5%! And the top 20% tax burden plummeted to a meager 63.5%. What kind of sick regressive tax system are we living under?


Sarcasm aside, it has been presented earlier that the majority of the costs from the tax cuts come from the middle class ones, not the wealthy ones, and that has not been refuted. On what basis (since these tax cuts are based on reducing the deficit), do we so adamantly chase the top end bracket cuts?

ChuckBerry said:
“In my view, health is a business in the United States in quite a different way than it is elsewhere,” says Tom Sackville, who served in Margaret Thatcher’s government and now directs the IFHP. “It’s very much something people make money out of. There isn’t too much embarrassment about that compared to Europe and elsewhere.”

(snip)

“We end up with the benefits of your investment,” Sackville says. “You’re subsidizing the rest of the world by doing the front-end research.” (emphasis added)

Why an MRI costs $1,080 in America and $280 in France - The Washington Post
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I think making health "insurance" actual insurance would go a long way in fixing this.
 
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Republic Now! said:
How do you get 19 from 6.3? You'd think a major news organization would fix such a blaring typo. Afterall, the damage done can be plainly seen. It clearly mislead you. I don't know the validity of the 4% number for the "middle class." Since the article didn't link its source (the media never does), and the first number was way off base, who knows?

Anyways, the whole thing is folly. Of course the wealthy receive a reduction in tax burden from a tax cut; they pay the most. I love how the article tries desperately to make getting a tax cut into a bad thing. Oh no! The middle class tax burden went allll the way up to 19.5%! And the top 20% tax burden plummeted to a meager 63.5%. What kind of sick regressive tax system are we living under?


Sarcasm aside, it has been presented earlier that the majority of the costs from the tax cuts come from the middle class ones, not the wealthy ones, and that has not been refuted. On what basis (since these tax cuts are based on reducing the deficit), do we so adamantly chase the top end bracket cuts?



I think making health "insurance" actual insurance would go a long way in fixing this.
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You are confusing, intentionally or unknowingly, effects of the cuts to our progressive tax system with the growing wealth inequality due to 30 years of trickle down economics. Since it is the working class that has felt the brunt of those effects, they do not suffer from your confusion.
 
Daktoria said:
Definitely. Canadian health care mooches like no tomorrow on American R+D. The same goes for defense.
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not sure what American R+D stands for so you will have to enlighten me! As for defense how exactly is Canada mooching of American defense? Last time I checked the last time Canada was attacked it was in 1812 by America!
 
Catawba said:
You are confusing, intentionally or unknowingly, effects of the cuts to our progressive tax system with the growing wealth inequality due to 30 years of trickle down economics. Since it is the working class that has felt the brunt of those effects, they do not suffer from your confusion.
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No, I'm mocking the articles ridiculous melodramatic tone with sarcasm.
 
Republic Now! said:
No, I'm mocking the articles ridiculous melodramatic tone with sarcasm.
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I suppose that if you can't prove your case that's about all you've got left to you.............
 
cpwill said:
Also worth noting is that Canada scores higher than we do on the economic freedom index, and has been slashing their corporate income tax down to less than half of ours.

Gosh, I wonder how they got better than they used to be.
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People get overly obsessed with our corporate tax rate. Yes, on paper its the highest in the world, however, as a practical matter only a few unfortunate companies actually get caught in the 35% bracket. Companies with large international operations (most large companies) get to "off-shore" profits by cost allocations and companies with capital equipment or research & development that immediately write off capital expenditures are pretty much not paying these taxes, while most small businesses are reported as LLCs or S-Corps, meaning the corporate tax is reported on individual returns. Though I am wildly in favor of lowering rates offset by tougher rules on offshoring profits and easing of capital writeoffs to make the system fairer, it is not affecting our economy anywhere near the magnitude that some would have you believe.

The Canadians are resource rich, but probably the biggest single thing helping the average Canadian family achieve superior wealth to their American counterparts is the fact that medical expenses are substantially taken care of in Canada vs. large line items of the typical American family budget.
 
Catawba said:
Exactly.............
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No, I want to know what you think I'm trying to avoid proving. I could say you're trying to avoid the failings of your article.
 
clownboy said:
Yeah, Canadians don't really understand tipping as it has evolved in America. They don't know that the server is going to get taxed as if they were tipped whether they leave a tip or not.
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The reason we are horrible tippers is because here servers are payed normal minimum wage and tips are just extra on top so there is no need to here.
 
Republic Now! said:
I didn't blame anything on our tax code.
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This is what I was addressing:

Republic Now! said:
I love how the article tries desperately to make getting a tax cut into a bad thing.
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Our cutting away at the country's progressive tax rates over the last 30 years as part of the GOP's policy of supply side economics, has contributed to the record wealth inequality in this country. So yes, as poll after poll have shown, the majority of Americans see no benefit to continuing to allow it.
 
0bserver92 said:
The reason we are horrible tippers is because here servers are payed normal minimum wage and tips are just extra on top so there is no need to here.
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Imagine that, being paid a living wage versus groveling for tips. The colder air up there must improve the circulation in the brain or something...................
 
Catawba said:
Imagine that, being paid a living wage versus groveling for tips. The colder air up there must improve the circulation in the brain or something...................
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i know pizza delivery guys who make 600+ a week in tips,cant call that groveling.
 
0bserver92 said:
The reason we are horrible tippers is because here servers are payed normal minimum wage and tips are just extra on top so there is no need to here.
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Yep, a good thing to remember, when in Canada we don't have to tip. However, might be good if they remembered, when in America, you should tip.
 
beerftw said:
i know pizza delivery guys who make 600+ a week in tips,cant call that groveling.
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I've run a Dominos and a Godfathers in my past, the only place I can imagine seeing such an income is in places where the cost of living is so high that $600 a week won't begin to cover a quarter of your rent.
 
beerftw said:
i know pizza delivery guys who make 600+ a week in tips,cant call that groveling.
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Outliers are not demonstrative of the average.

That's why they're called outliers.
 
clownboy said:
I've run a Dominos and a Godfathers in my past, the only place I can imagine seeing such an income is in places where the cost of living is so high that $600 a week won't begin to cover a quarter of your rent.
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depends on the city,but where im at,drunken soldiers tip the best,and they are always drunk.

if its a big city,no 600 a week wont cover anything more than a 1 bedroom studio and a case of ramen noodles and a dial up internet,but thats why most people only work in them,not live in them.

i knew people who worked in la and lived in joshua tree,2 and a half hours away,because it was still cheaper after gas costs to get a 4 bedroom there and all other living costs than it was to get a 1 bedroom in that city.
 
For being the second largest nation in the world, what gets me bout those Canucks is that all thier houses are so damn close together??? What the hell is up with that, eh? :)


Tim-
 
Mach said:
Can you blame us? Red Dawn was so cool. Remember when the RPG went through the opening and didn't down the helicopter? I was like, oh ****!
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It was an alright film. Felt more like the usual Cold War propaganda to me, though.

Non-cynically, the war is always on. And if you ever catch yourself thinking it's not, that just means the players are really good at hiding it.
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The Cold War is over. The Soviet Union lost, it's why they aren't the USSR anymore. We're fighting a different enemy, but still using the same tired old doctrine and methods. Updating our strategy and how we perceive the world is long overdue, and has been for about 50 years.
 
Hicup said:
For being the second largest nation in the world, what gets me bout those Canucks is that all thier houses are so damn close together??? What the hell is up with that, eh? :)

Tim-
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It may be a big country, but 80% of all Canadians live within 100 miles of the US border. Its probably a defense perimeter: Canadians on guard for thee, protecting the homeland against the hoards of people to the south that cross the border in the middle of the night seeking a better life.

Canada Health Act: Why Uninsured Americans Are Moving - Yahoo! Voices - voices.yahoo.com
Americans going to Canada to find work – Global Public Square - CNN.com Blogs
 
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