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Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

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Deputies Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door

Fla. deputies shoot, kill wrong suspect - Law Enforcement News

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Police lieutenant: 'The bottom line is, you point a gun at a deputy...you're going to get shot'
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"When we knocked on the door, the door opened and the occupant of that apartment was pointing a gun at deputies, and that's when we opened fire and killed him," Lt. John Herrell said. "Even though this subject is not the one we were looking for when he opened the door. He was pointing the gun at the deputy and if you put yourselves in the deputy's shoes. They were there to pick up someone who was wanted for an attempted homicide."[/SIZE]

I don't think the deputies did anything wrong at all.

"IF" the small details in the story are true they were in the right. Who opens their door, not asking who it is simply pointing a gun? That's just not smart.

Its unfortunate but I dont think theres any fault on the LEOs
 
I can't seem to find it in the article; did the police identify themselves when they knocked?

article states

In the early-morning hours, deputies knocked on 26-year-old Andrew Lee Scott's door without identifying themselves as law enforcement officers. Scott answered the door with a gun in his hand.
 
When you point guns at people you run the risk of being shot. When you point a gun at cops that risk is elevated.

Agreed!

Now again with the details provided it seems like a totally legit shoot.

I own guns and I have CWP.

If somebody knocks on my door late at night unexpected I might take my gun with me, but I certainly dont open the door and just point it at who ever is on the other side?? Thats silly.

Hell I dont even open the door if I cant see who it is or identify the people without say "who is it"?

Seems weird.
 
article states

In the early-morning hours, deputies knocked on 26-year-old Andrew Lee Scott's door without identifying themselves as law enforcement officers. Scott answered the door with a gun in his hand.

You beat me to it.

In my mind, I can't believe it would be safe to identify ones' self as a LEO when attempting to arrest someone for homocide. I think this is LEOs will often try to "engineer" their arrest to, like, when he's walking out to his car. There'd be nothing more dangerous than standing at the door and announcing yourself to a guy who's wanted for murder. And, oh, by the way, I've learned to shoot three times: once at the door and once (or more) at either side. I don't watch crime drama for nothin', baby. ;)
 
I can't seem to find it in the article; did the police identify themselves when they knocked?

No and why would they yet, they havent been asked, the door wasnt opened yet for a meet a greet and they were there looking for a murder suspect.

Police have come to my door and not identified themselves until I asked who is it or saw them through the peek hole
 
article states

In the early-morning hours, deputies knocked on 26-year-old Andrew Lee Scott's door without identifying themselves as law enforcement officers. Scott answered the door with a gun in his hand.

Thanks.

Aren't police usually required to identify themselves? Or at least wouldn't it seem like a good idea with the 1:30am visit?

This just seems like a convergence of circumstances and the result was almost out of anyone's control.

Is it against the law to open the door with a gun? It was early in the morning, a 1:30am knock usually isn't a good thing. Police didn't identify themselves, but they were looking for a attempted murder suspect. I doubt they wanted to advertise their presence too much.

Dunno about this one. Just seems like pure unfortunate coincidence.
 
Thanks.

Aren't police usually required to identify themselves? Or at least wouldn't it seem like a good idea with the 1:30am visit?

This just seems like a convergence of circumstances and the result was almost out of anyone's control.

Is it against the law to open the door with a gun? It was early in the morning, a 1:30am knock usually isn't a good thing. Police didn't identify themselves, but they were looking for a attempted murder suspect. I doubt they wanted to advertise their presence too much.

Dunno about this one. Just seems like pure unfortunate coincidence.

thats what I think too

and from the article he just didnt open the door with gun in hand but pointed it.
 
thats what I think too

and from the article he just didnt open the door with gun in hand but pointed it.

I can totally see both sides here. If I get a cop knock at 1:30am but no identification as police, I would definitely have my shotgun when I see who it is. I certainly wouldn't open barrel first, but still, I can understand why the guy would have his gun with him.

On the other hand, the cops can't have people pointing guns at them, not to mention they were already on high alert looking for a murder suspect. Like I already said, I doubt the cops smoke out suspects by advertising their presence.

It's a tragedy, both sides are guilty and innocent at the same time, I guess.
 
Thanks.

Aren't police usually required to identify themselves? Or at least wouldn't it seem like a good idea with the 1:30am visit?

This just seems like a convergence of circumstances and the result was almost out of anyone's control.

Is it against the law to open the door with a gun? It was early in the morning, a 1:30am knock usually isn't a good thing. Police didn't identify themselves, but they were looking for a attempted murder suspect. I doubt they wanted to advertise their presence too much.

Dunno about this one. Just seems like pure unfortunate coincidence.

I dont think it is illegal to have a gun in your hand, but it is illegal to point it at someone.

Another thought I had is that this guy knew who was at the door. If you are paranoid enough to be opening a door with gun you are going to peek out a window or peephole before you open it.
 
I can totally see both sides here. If I get a cop knock at 1:30am but no identification as police, I would definitely have my shotgun when I see who it is. I certainly wouldn't open barrel first, but still, I can understand why the guy would have his gun with him.

On the other hand, the cops can't have people pointing guns at them, not to mention they were already on high alert looking for a murder suspect. Like I already said, I doubt the cops smoke out suspects by advertising their presence.

It's a tragedy, both sides are guilty and innocent at the same time, I guess.

Yep thats what I said too, i may TAKE my gun with me but I never just open the door pointing it at people or not simple ask who it is. Maybe its just me but is it common for people to blindly open their doors and/or not ask who it is? I doubt it

I dont see any guilt on the deputy's side unless more comes out.

But like you side its just a freak occurrence thats unfortunate
 
I blame door-to-door evangalizing.
 
Wasn't the guy "standing his ground?"
 
Wasn't the guy "standing his ground?"

Funny, but a good point. If the guy had just shot 'em both dead, he'd probably have a defense. "People banging on my door at 1 AM . . . " and all that. Hmmmmmmm.

I've gone to the door with my gun before, but I held it down and slightly behind me. No point in scarin' a Jehovah's Witness to death. So few of them go to heaven...
 
Upon who's WORD was the occupant seen actually "pointing the gun at the officer(s)"? I am sure that is the "official" version, yet the "code of the blue" is NOT going to allow a mistake (in address) to let ANYONE live if they merely SEE that they have a gun, they likely will simply say GUN and all fire at the "suspect". I seriously doubt that this went down 100% as reported.
 
I dont think it is illegal to have a gun in your hand, but it is illegal to point it at someone.

Another thought I had is that this guy knew who was at the door. If you are paranoid enough to be opening a door with gun you are going to peek out a window or peephole before you open it.

You never look out the window, if you think bad guys are at the door.
 
Why would anyone answer their door at 1:30am in the first place, unless it is for an expected visitor? Eff that, come back another time, during normal human awake-time hours.
 
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Why would anyone answer their door at 1:30am in the first place? Eff that, come back another time, during normal human awake time hours.

This smells funny....if the suspect is dangerous enough to go after at that time of night, why is it just 2 deputies? Why not a swat team with red and blue lights flashing?. If I got that knock, I would call 911 and say someone is banging on my door, send some uniforms in a marked car please....

If the guy isn't that dangerous, surely he has to go out some time, get him on the street when he isn't suspecting any thing.
 
It said he was pointing the gun at the deputies.

Who is "it"? If both cops shot (and killed) the "suspect", and no other witnesses are mentioned then "it" is the shooters themselves that are the ONLY witnesses. Hardly beyond a reasonable doubt. What would you expect them to say? Do you think they will admit to simply thinking themselves in danger when facing a "suspect" that has a gun, even if it was NOT pointed at them? They did not know that they had not killed the "suspect" until later. Hmm...
 
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When you point guns at people you run the risk of being shot. When you point a gun at cops that risk is elevated.
If he did indeed have the gun "pointed at a cop", his biggest mistake was not pulling the trigger first when the cop drew his gun. In this instance, he had every bit as much right as the cop to self defense. Last I checked, it wasn't against the law to answer your door while holding a gun. Don't care if it's "stupid." Don't care if it's not something a lot of people do. Only care if it's legal.

It's not his fault the cops screwed up.
 
Might be time for all of them to wear helmet cams when entering like this, provided they have nothing to hide.

When things are legit, the video would be used to discourage wrongful death lawsuits thus saving the taxpayers money.

If a victims family typically sues for lets say 5 million dollars, then that 5 million dollars would be better off spent on the video equipment IMO.



Our government creating millionaires out of thin air on what seems to be a daily basis is probably not a good thing.
 
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