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Every time a cop has knocked on my door they didnt just knock. They slammed on it. Very, very hard. He'll they slam the door so hard you can hear them pound-knocking on neighbors doors. EVERY time they have announced "POLICE! Open up! We hear you in there open up now!" or something to that effect. Every single time.
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Now you are telling me its not ok to answer your door armed when someone just pounds on your door at 1 in the morning like a crackhead? They weren't knocking to ask a question because they had their guns drawn. So you know they where slamming that damn door. If they had done their job right it would have went 1 of 2 ways.
They slam on the door with guns and shout POLICE! Dude unwieldy the gun because he knows its the PoPo and opens up. No one dies.
They slam on the door to ask around, guns holstered. Because they are just investigating. Dude answers with a gun because of the time + awkwardness of the knock. Dude sees its cops. Dude puts the gun down. Surprised cops draw their gun and disarm the man. Explanations ensue.
This is obviously a case of overeager trigger happy cops that want to catch the bad guy so much they possibly sacrifice some innocent good dudes. Which goes against the whole point of being a cop.
Logic and commen sense would dictate corrective action needs to be taken immediatly. My theory and speculation is the most logical and probably truth of the situation. Not saying im right. But im pretty sure i probably am. The cops words cant be trusted because a person is dead and their whole life depends on them saying "He pointed it at us." Because they didn't announce themselves and the way the this situation unfolded they don't deserve to protect citizens. Sure maybe this was all an accident. It could have been avoided with stricter scruples. Just because a suspects vehicle is ditched, parked, stored in front of someone's place doesn't give the cops a right to knock unanounced and "just see what pops out of the door" while they have their guns trained and ready. Either they anounce themselves because they have weapons ready or they dont have weapons ready and just want to ask a question. One of the other. Not both ways.please do not lie and make stuff up, who said its not ok to answer your door armed? thats right NOBODY lmao
Ill believe your fantasy story when you provide one single shred of evidence to it :shrug:
untill then its nothing more than an illogical GUESS, thats the issue
hell you story could be 100% right, though theres no reason o think so but the FACT remains theres nothing to support it.
so until more details come out and something changed, per the story the cops were not at fault LMAO no amount of fantasy will change that.
He woke up to banging and crashing and hollering, the police DID NOT ANNOUNCE themselves. So here's a guy woken up in the middle of the night, hears a commotion, doesn't know what is going on, grabs his gun and goes to investigate. What about that is unreasonable? He opens the door, cops claim they saw a gun and shoot him dead.
Now, who has to prove the point? Only an ignorant statist would say that the State is assumed correct over the individual. In the Republic, the individual is assumed INNOCENT, the State is not. Burden of proof is on the State. The Cops, whom are agents of the State, must then demonstrate the necessity for being there, why they did not announce their presence, the reasons for acting in the manner that they did. The State is restricted, not the Individual. The cops did EVERYTHING wrong, no warrant, no announcement, nothing. Scare the **** out of some dude in the middle of the night, he grabs his gun, and the cops open fire on him. That's what happened.
Scare the **** out of some dude in the middle of the night, he grabs his gun, and the cops open fire on him. That's what happened.
WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer said it appeared authorities inflated the charges to justify what happened.
"From the minute this case was reported, it's been a constant attempt to shift the blame, shift the focus away from the sheriff's office," said Sheaffer.
You have no understanding of the law. The cops do not have to wait to react to a threat on their lives while on duty until after a trial. You point a gun at a cop they shoot you. Nothing illegal there. The cops do not need a warrant to knock on a door when there is reason to believe a suspect is inside.
To an unreasonable person who tends to blame the cops simply because they are cops and who wants to see people thrown in jail or who believes that people should be found guilty without evidence maybe. But to the rational person who beleives that when all the evidence in a case points to a person not being guilty and no evidence to the contrary, even when they are police, they are innocent. Just because you have an irrational hatred of authority figures does not mean these men did anything wrong.
Logic and commen sense would dictate corrective action needs to be taken immediatly. My theory and speculation is the most logical and probably truth of the situation. Not saying im right. But im pretty sure i probably am. The cops words cant be trusted because a person is dead and their whole life depends on them saying "He pointed it at us." Because they didn't announce themselves and the way the this situation unfolded they don't deserve to protect citizens. Sure maybe this was all an accident. It could have been avoided with stricter scruples. Just because a suspects vehicle is ditched, parked, stored in front of someone's place doesn't give the cops a right to knock unanounced and "just see what pops out of the door" while they have their guns trained and ready. Either they anounce themselves because they have weapons ready or they dont have weapons ready and just want to ask a question. One of the other. Not both ways.
(Ohh.. Hello! I just want to ask you some question with this gun pointed right at your damn face) No...
The cops statement that he pointed the gun at them is invalid as evidence because if he didnt then the cops would have their lives stripped from them via the law. How would you expect someone to awnser the door armed? Most people would imagine with the gun ready but not pointed at anything in general. maybe even pointed up into the air but ready to aim with a flick of the wrist right? Chances are the dude had a gun in his hands, NOT pointed at whatever was banging on his door. Cops saw it and INSTANTLY fired at the sight of a gun regardless if it was pointed at them or not. The cops statements cant be taken as proof when said statement judges them harshly.
Its not a case of "Don't point a gun at someone knocking on your door." Because the cops had guns pointed at him before the door was even open. They weren't knocking on the door just to ask a casual question if they had their guns ready. They were in a violent stance and hence probably even knocked violently. Its obvious the guy never intended to threaten a cop because they never got shot at. These cops thought they had "their guy" and ****ed up bad.
You have no understanding of the law. The cops do not have to wait to react to a threat on their lives while on duty until after a trial. You point a gun at a cop they shoot you. Nothing illegal there. The cops do not need a warrant to knock on a door when there is reason to believe a suspect is inside.
To an unreasonable person who tends to blame the cops simply because they are cops and who wants to see people thrown in jail or who believes that people should be found guilty without evidence maybe. But to the rational person who beleives that when all the evidence in a case points to a person not being guilty and no evidence to the contrary, even when they are police, they are innocent. Just because you have an irrational hatred of authority figures does not mean these men did anything wrong.
The charges dont matter. He pointed a gun at police officers. He deserved to be shot.
YOU CANNOT POINT A GUN AT ANYONE FOR KNOCKING ON YOUR DOOR. THAT IS ILLEGAL.
Lake County Sheriff's Lt. John Herrell said deputies never identified themselves when they knocked on Andrew Scott's apartment, thinking he was an attempted homicide suspect. Herrell said the deputies did not identify themselves as law enforcement because they believed Scott to be armed and dangerous. However, in reality, they said he was just a man opening the door at 1:30 a.m. with a gun in his hands.
Scott was shot several times when he opened the door armed.
Deputies said Scott answered the door armed with a gun. One of the deputies then opened fire, killing Scott.
The cops statement that he pointed the gun at them is invalid as evidence because if he didnt then the cops would have their lives stripped from them via the law.
How would you expect someone to awnser the door armed?
Chances are the dude had a gun in his hands, NOT pointed at whatever was banging on his door. Cops saw it and INSTANTLY fired at the sight of a gun regardless if it was pointed at them or not. The cops statements cant be taken as proof when said statement judges them harshly.
Its not a case of "Don't point a gun at someone knocking on your door." Because the cops had guns pointed at him before the door was even open.
Because the cops had guns pointed at him before the door was even open. They weren't knocking on the door just to ask a casual question if they had their guns ready.
Its obvious the guy never intended to threaten a cop because they never got shot at.
These cops thought they had "their guy" and ****ed up bad.
So somebody reacting reasonably and being shot for it is a sign of good training and good cops, huh?
Please try a more intellectually honest argument that does not revolve around ad hom and hyperbole.
YOu didnt even try to reply. let me know when you can.
So at what point was he POINTING A GUN AT ANYONE? All information says he simply had a gun, which would be a reasonable reaction to the disturbance experienced. But no, this is well trained and good policing, yes? Shooting someone for reasonable reactions. :roll:
So somebody reacting reasonably and being shot for it is a sign of good training and good cops, huh?
I did reply. I asked if being shot for a reasonable reaction is a sign of good training and good cops. Please try a bit of honesty in your arguments.
ikari- here is the link for you. please read it before replying.
Fla. deputies shoot, kill 'wrong' suspect - Law Enforcement News
There was no reasonable reaction on his part. he was shot for pointing a gun at cops. There is no reasonable reaction that involves attempting to murder people for knocking on your door. Your attempt to lie and twist things is pathetic as is your attempt to put me on the spot for lying. Read the article and try replying with actual facts of the case not imagined conpsiracy theories that might have happened.
ikari- here is the link for you. please read it before replying.
Fla. deputies shoot, kill 'wrong' suspect - Law Enforcement News
just to clarify
if he opened the door with the gun pointed at the cops like it says that is NOT acting reasonable
Oh, well that clears it all up. Someone shoots someone dead and then says they were justified in doing so, then they totally must have been justified. I don't even see why we need a court system.
Evidence? or is all y ou need is a hatred of cops?