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Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

If he did indeed have the gun "pointed at a cop", his biggest mistake was not pulling the trigger first when the cop drew his gun. In this instance, he had every bit as much right as the cop to self defense. Last I checked, it wasn't against the law to answer your door while holding a gun. Don't care if it's "stupid." Don't care if it's not something a lot of people do. Only care if it's legal.

It's not his fault the cops screwed up.

if his gun was pointed already, wonder why he didn't get a shot off?
at the least, the cops are incompetent.....
there is surely more to this story, but we probably won't hear it...
 
If he did indeed have the gun "pointed at a cop", his biggest mistake was not pulling the trigger first when the cop drew his gun. In this instance, he had every bit as much right as the cop to self defense. Last I checked, it wasn't against the law to answer your door while holding a gun. Don't care if it's "stupid." Don't care if it's not something a lot of people do. Only care if it's legal.

It's not his fault the cops screwed up.

per the info we have

cops didn't screw up :shrug:

he screwed up if he did come to the door with his gun drawn and pointing at people
 
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if his gun was pointed already, wonder why he didn't get a shot off?
at the least, the cops are incompetent.....
there is surely more to this story, but we probably won't hear it...
Oh, stop with the conspiracy theories... next you'll be claiming that cops are breaking into the homes of 92 year old women unannounced, gunning them down in a flurry of bullets, and covering the whole thing up with planted drugs, falsified documents, and stories about how these seemingly sweet old ladies were really vicious cocaine dealers ...

Oh, wait...
Kathryn Johnston shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Just kidding about the conspiracy part.
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per the info we have

cops didn't screw up :shrug:

he screwed up if he did come to the door with his gun drawn and pointing at people
What Florida law makes it illegal to point a gun at people who are standing on your property?
 
Oh, stop with the conspiracy theories... next you'll be claiming that cops are breaking into the homes of 92 year old women unannounced, gunning them down in a flurry of bullets, and covering the whole thing up with planted drugs, falsified documents, and stories about how these seemingly sweet old ladies were really vicious cocaine dealers ...

Oh, wait...
Kathryn Johnston shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Just kidding about the conspiracy part.
:(
I get it, but watch for the cover-up....
 
If the police were on alert for the suspect, they probably already had their guns drawn when they knocked on the door. Then as they heard the door being opened, they would likely aim their own weapons at whoever was opening the door. If the guy was pointing his weapon at them, then they would likely fire before he was able to shoot one of them (since they suspected they very well may be facing the dangerous guy they were after). Now, if the guy was pointing his gun at the floor, then they likely would have told him to "drop your weapon".

It is possible that they shot the guy without provocation.

Honestly, unless more info comes out, I will give the cops the benefit of the doubt. I don't think more will come out, considering the circumstances of the incident though.
 
Certain parts of the story don't seem right. Every time I've been arrested at my house, there were about 5 or 6 cops there and that was just small time ****. Granted, Florida likely does things differently, but this guy was wanted for murder, and they only send 3 guys? Also, I've lived in enough apartment complexes to know that the spot a vehicle is parked rarely, if ever, correlates to the drivers apartment, except in cases of assigned parking, and even then, there's always some asshole who parks in your spot. Why didn't they verify the actual suspects apartment number?

The one thing that's really bugging the **** out of me: They said the guy already had his gun aimed at them, yet the only person to open fire was a deputy. That alone tells me something is off.
 
What Florida law makes it illegal to point a gun at people who are standing on your property?

LMAO
What planet do you live on where I said its illegal to point a gun at people on your property?

My statement still stands:


read it slow

per the info we have

cops didn't screw up

he screwed up if he did come to the door with his gun drawn and pointing at people

I could use your same "logic"
What florida law makes it illegal for a cop to shoot a person pointing a gun at them?

see how stupid and meaningless that question is
 
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What Florida law makes it illegal to point a gun at people who are standing on your property?

Technically, if he is living in an apartment building, right outside his door would not be his property necessarily. In fact, there are many apartment buildings that do not allow guns in them. Most of the ones I have lived in actually had this rule.
 
Technically, if he is living in an apartment building, right outside his door would not be his property necessarily. In fact, there are many apartment buildings that do not allow guns in them. Most of the ones I have lived in actually had this rule.

theres a lot of "technicalities" that could be said to his question because its meaningless and irrelevant to the story and (current) facts at hand
 
LMAO
What planet do you live on where I said its illegal to point a gun at people on your property?
My bad, I was trying to make sense of your claim that the homeowner in some way screwed up. I'm glad you agree that he did nothing illegal... I understand now - you're just making a poor argument.

Given that he was a innocent citizen exhibiting legal behavior, it would have been perfectly reasonable for him to have shot the gun to save his life.
 
They went to the wrong place without verifying it, and ended up shooting the wrong guy. I'd say they screwed up real ****ing bad.

we arent debating whether they went to the right house LMAO

we are debating the shooting

and if the story is true and theres no more to it, they shot the right guy, it was the guy pointing the gun at them.

There goal was to search for a murder suspect, not to shoot anybody, so they most certainly didnt shoot the wrong guy in reality. The only way they could have shot the wrong guy is if they shot another guy who didnt have a gun pointed at them.

Cops go to the wrong house or a place where the suspect isnt all the time. Typically people dont open the door with a gun pointed at them :shrug:

Cops came to my house looking for someone I never heard of who was a rapist ( had the same last name and got bad info, weekday around 2am), cops came to my house asking if I seen a runaway sat 1pm because I coached her in softball, cops came to my house looking for my moms no good brother twice, ( middle of night cant remember when and on thanksgiving dinner time)

never opened the door without looking to see who it was, asked who it was or pointing my gun at whoever was there :shrug:

why?
because under the circumstances that would be stupid
 
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Technically, if he is living in an apartment building, right outside his door would not be his property necessarily. In fact, there are many apartment buildings that do not allow guns in them. Most of the ones I have lived in actually had this rule.
As I understand it, he was standing inside his door, not right outside it.

As far as the law goes, the apartment is his home. He is leasing it. Had he survived the encounter - and guns were indeed prohibited in the apartment - I suppose they could have evicted him for breach of contract, but a line in a lease agreement doesn't take away your right to self defense.
 
My bad, I was trying to make sense of your claim that the homeowner in some way screwed up. I'm glad you agree that he did nothing illegal... I understand now - you're just making a poor argument.

Given that he was a innocent citizen exhibiting legal behavior, it would have been perfectly reasonable for him to have shot the gun to save his life.


no the argument is very sound and full proof per the CURRENT facts we have LMAO

the proof is he got himself killed :shrug:

and unless you MAKE UP stuff that inst in the news story it would not have been perfectly reasonable for him to have shot the gun to save his life. He was the aggressor for no justified reason, if he shot one of the cops even if he believed it was to save his life he I sure they would have charged him with murder.

Now if MORE to the story comes out that could change but currently, he got himself shot and he seems lto have made a very stupid and costly mistake.

SO my statement still stands, with the info at hand he factually screwed up ;)
 
As I understand it, he was standing inside his door, not right outside it.

As far as the law goes, the apartment is his home. He is leasing it. Had he survived the encounter - and guns were indeed prohibited in the apartment - I suppose they could have evicted him for breach of contract, but a line in a lease agreement doesn't take away your right to self defense.

But they were not on his property in the middle of the night. If he was pointing a gun at them and they technically were not on his property or advancing into it before he pointed it at them, then he technically wasn't totally defending his property because he didn't know what threat they really posed. If he saw that they had weapons prior to opening the door, then he should have called 911. If he just opened the door to them with gun aimed at whoever was there, then he wasn't defending himself as he was just threatening the person right outside his door. He had no true way to know the knocker's intention when he opened the door, so his proper response should not have been open the door, aiming a gun at whoever was out there. Either leave the door closed and ask for identification and/or call the police or, if you feel truly brave, open the door with gun in hand but not aimed at whoever is on the other side.
 
Sigh, I hate to hear stuff like this...such a shame....I dont know about anyone else...but right next to my door there is a combat shotgun...and a million vote stun gun...for god sake LOOK whos at your door before you open the damn thing...I always do...why would you just answer your door pointing a gun at whoever is standing there...what if it was a 10 yr old selling school candy....I have to believe if this guy looked and saw two cops at his door he wouldnt have done what he did
 
Sigh, I hate to hear stuff like this...such a shame....I dont know about anyone else...but right next to my door there is a combat shotgun...and a million vote stun gun...for god sake LOOK whos at your door before you open the damn thing...I always do...why would you just answer your door pointing a gun at whoever is standing there...what if it was a 10 yr old selling school candy....I have to believe if this guy looked and saw two cops at his door he wouldnt have done what he did

I was thinking what if it were a person trying to get help for something and they were a bit hysterical and that startled the guy into shooting them. It just doesn't make sense to me to open your door with your gun pointed at whoever is on the other side. IF you feel threatened, then just don't open your door at all and call the police. At the very least, ask who is out there.
 
Something has been nagging me about this and I couldnt put my finger on it, till just now....if this guy opened his door with a gun pointed at the cops....they had to unholster bring the gun up an shoot him...he had plenty of time to pull the trigger and at least shoot one cop...
Either this guy was just a dumbass and had no intention of ever pulling the trigger...or he saw they were cops and paused, but if he did all he had to do was OH WOW SORRY and aim the gun down and they would not have killed him.....or he knew there were cops at his door and this was suicide by cop...but something isnt right about this...
 
The cops were wrong with the information we have. The guy's motorcycle was parked in front of that door, so they assumed he lived there. Well, wrong. The mistake the guy made was opening the door. Yet, if he hadn't? The coppers might have kicked it in. Same result. He's got a gun. Somebody(ies) die.

It was an accident. But they were most certainly wrong. And an innocent man (from all accounts) is dead.

Florida. Sound familiar?

Why didn't they just stake out the motorcycle? Ask the property management company which apartment he lived in? Why make such a huge assumption at 1 AM?

I seriously doubt the coppers just knocked on the door. We'll never know. That blue line thingie and all.

@ lpast -- I agree with you. Something doesn't seem right about this incident.
 
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The cops were wrong with the information we have. The guy's motorcycle was parked in front of that door, so they assumed he lived there. Well, wrong. The mistake the guy made was opening the door. Yet, if he hadn't? The coppers might have kicked it in. Same result. He's got a gun. Somebody(ies) die.

It was an accident. But they were most certainly wrong. And an innocent man (from all accounts) is dead.


Florida. Sound familiar?

Why didn't they just stake out the motorcycle? Ask the property management company which apartment he lived in? Why make such a huge assumption at 1 AM?

I seriously doubt the coppers just knocked on the door. We'll never know. That blue line thingie and all.



Ever hear of backdoors and windows maggie....yes they made a mistake, no one has denied that I dont think.....His mistake was NOT answering his door...his mistake was answering his door and having a gun pointing at two cops...that would be a mistake no matter who was at the door...
 
Something has been nagging me about this and I couldnt put my finger on it, till just now....if this guy opened his door with a gun pointed at the cops....they had to unholster bring the gun up an shoot him...he had plenty of time to pull the trigger and at least shoot one cop...
Either this guy was just a dumbass and had no intention of ever pulling the trigger...or he saw they were cops and paused, but if he did all he had to do was OH WOW SORRY and aim the gun down and they would not have killed him.....or he knew there were cops at his door and this was suicide by cop...but something isnt right about this...

Why wouldn't they have their guns unholstered and pointed at the door when they knocked? They believed they very well may be facing an armed suspect. It would make sense that they would have their guns ready should the guy attempt to shoot them.
 
opening a door with a loaded gun pointed straight?

that's asking to die.


If the cops had identified themselves this probably never would have happened. What I find interesting is the amount of people in this thread who seem to find no culpability with the police, especially given the circumstances.
 
If the police were on alert for the suspect, they probably already had their guns drawn when they knocked on the door. Then as they heard the door being opened, they would likely aim their own weapons at whoever was opening the door. If the guy was pointing his weapon at them, then they would likely fire before he was able to shoot one of them (since they suspected they very well may be facing the dangerous guy they were after). Now, if the guy was pointing his gun at the floor, then they likely would have told him to "drop your weapon".

It is possible that they shot the guy without provocation.

Honestly, unless more info comes out, I will give the cops the benefit of the doubt. I don't think more will come out, considering the circumstances of the incident though.

Sure, why not, shoot first and ask questions later. It isn't OK, even when the police do it.
 
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