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    Re: Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    disagree what did the cops do that was "lots of stupid" ?

    they knocked on a door looking for a suspect? it wasnt the right door so what.

    And I swear im not being a smart ass Im being as PC with you and logical/rational/reality based as I can.

    answer these questions and I dont know the answers Im just trying to get you to think about reality.

    how how many times do you think the police knock on a door looking for suspect and thats not where the suspect is in just one single day? do you think 1000 is out of the question?

    how many times are the greeted with a gun pointed at them?


    EDIT: also to be clear im talking about with the current facts, these cops maybe mega types of stupid if other things comes out
    let's see, they are looking for a guy who is likely armed and dangerous, and they KNOCK ON HIS DOOR AT 1:30AM?
    I suppose they thought he would wake up too groggy to be suspicious of who might be visiting at that time?
    Did they know if he was alone? It might have turned into a hostage situation if he had someone there with him.
    If you know where he is, you wait til he comes out and tackle him. You don't announce your presence and you don't go knocking at his door and ask him to come quietly. all that is based on having the right address....
    And how do you get the wrong door? No numbers on the doors, maybe? all the more reason to take a few extra minutes to verify the address ...
    If these guys do this 1000 times a day, surely they know how to do it correctly?
    and if you don't know if he is there, why bother the residents in the middle of the night?
    somebody needs more training, and somebody needs to lose their job.
    I am not a cop, never played one on TV, but ANYBODY should know better than to bang on a door in the middle of the night and expect a warm reception....
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    Re: Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    No and why would they yet, they havent been asked, the door wasnt opened yet for a meet a greet and they were there looking for a murder suspect.

    Police have come to my door and not identified themselves until I asked who is it or saw them through the peek hole
    meet and greet at 1:30 AM? that's rude, man....
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    Re: Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    let's see, they are looking for a guy who is likely armed and dangerous, and they KNOCK ON HIS DOOR AT 1:30AM? yes or they could leave him alone and wait for him to possible kill others
    I suppose they thought he would wake up too groggy to be suspicious of who might be visiting at that time? or that maybe he could be killing others and they wanted to stop it.
    Did they know if he was alone? Did they know he wasnt killing others or didnt already have a hostage or wasnt planning another killing?

    It might have turned into a hostage situation if he had someone there with him. They might have saved someones life by knocking or someone else could have been killed if they didnt knock

    If you know where he is, you wait til he comes out and tackle him. after two more people are dead inside his apartment or he got more guns and more ammo

    You don't announce your presence and you don't go knocking at his door and ask him to come quietly. they only wanted to detain him, coming quite is up to him and for the record many murders have gone quiet

    all that is based on having the right address.... or doing their job and investigating leads

    And how do you get the wrong door? No numbers on the doors, maybe? all the more reason to take a few extra minutes to verify the address ... and lose another victim or lose him out the back door


    If these guys do this 1000 times a day, surely they know how to do it correctly? what says they did it wrong?



    and if you don't know if he is there, why bother the residents in the middle of the night? public saftey
    somebody needs more training, and somebody needs to lose their job. somebody needs more hangun traingin and needs to learn you dont go pointing your gun out your door at anybody simply because they knocked and somebody should get thanked because one less nut is out thier with a gun who doesnt know how to handle it


    I am not a cop, never played one on TV, but ANYBODY should know better than to bang on a door in the middle of the night and expect a warm reception....anybody should no not to open there door without asking who it is, seeing who it is then pointing a gun at people on the other side LMAO
    this will be fun playing fantasy

    seee all your points are meaningless to the fact we actually have
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    Re: Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It isn't okay to answer your door with a gun aimed at whoever is knocking. It is a bad reaction, whether it is the police or someone else, particularly in an apartment building, where an accidental discharge could miss whoever is there, go through the apartment wall across from you and hit someone in there.

    Both parties made mistakes, but it is the guy pointing a gun at cops who got himself killed. Its easy to blame the police, but circumstances do not always provide police with an easy answer with how to approach a situation.
    that is why they train, just like where you work, you prepare for all kinds of likely scenarios....
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    Re: Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    I don't know, 1:30 in the morning, unexpected visitors? I don't know anything about that area, but where I live, you'd be stupid to answer the door under those circumstances without a weapon in hand. The cops here know it too.
    That is what I was thinking. AT 1:30 in the morning and someone pounding on my door I am going to answer it with some type of weapon in my hand and my Rottweiler's collar in the other.

    There is never any good coming from a 1:30 AM door knock.

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    Re: Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    And how do you get the wrong door?
    A cop's job is hard enough, and now you expect them to get the address right?

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    Re: Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    That is what I was thinking. AT 1:30 in the morning and someone pounding on my door I am going to answer it with some type of weapon in my hand and my Rottweiler's collar in the other.

    There is never any good coming from a 1:30 AM door knock.
    Which is why cops here don't do it. They'll get you in the daytime because it's safer for them. This bust was doomed from the start, and on top of that, they didn't even bother to check and make sure they had the right place before going in.

    I'm not a cop, and I'm sure we do it different, but when I was in the Army it was made perfectly clear that you ALWAYS get your facts straight before going into anything because:

    A. Controlling the situation increases the chance of mission success
    B. It generally lowers the chance of casualties, and
    C. It reduces the chances of costly mistakes

    This was a costly mistake that resulted in citizen casualty, because they did not have control of the situation. Why? Because they didn't have their facts. 5 minutes of fact checking could have prevented this from happening. On top of a dead citizen, the entire department may now face public backlash, the credibility of the department is tarnished, the taxpayers will have to pay costly reparations, and these officer may have just created a very hostile environment for their fellow peace officers.

    And what would have happened if they did get the right place? Pounding on a door like that in the middle of the night. He was wanted for murder. They didn't even stop to think that maybe they were unnecessarily putting their own lives at risk to catch some douchebag? Where was their back up? Where was their plan of action? I don't think these deputies are competent enough to wear a badge, honestly.
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    Re: Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    That is what I was thinking. AT 1:30 in the morning and someone pounding on my door I am going to answer it with some type of weapon in my hand and my Rottweiler's collar in the other.

    There is never any good coming from a 1:30 AM door knock.
    I would do that also

    but I would also not try to see who it is, and would ask who it is and I most certainly would NOT just open up the door and point my gun at whoever is there because that would be stupid and Im smart enough to know that could get me killed.
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    Re: Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    A cop's job is hard enough, and now you expect them to get the address right?
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    Re: Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    Which is why cops here don't do it. They'll get you in the daytime because it's safer for them. This bust was doomed from the start, and on top of that, they didn't even bother to check and make sure they had the right place before going in.

    I'm not a cop, and I'm sure we do it different, but when I was in the Army it was made perfectly clear that you ALWAYS get your facts straight before going into anything because:

    A. Controlling the situation increases the chance of mission success
    B. It generally lowers the chance of casualties, and
    C. It reduces the chances of costly mistakes

    This was a costly mistake that resulted in citizen casualty, because they did not have control of the situation. Why? Because they didn't have their facts. 5 minutes of fact checking could have prevented this from happening. On top of a dead citizen, the entire department may now face public backlash, the credibility of the department is tarnished, the taxpayers will have to pay costly reparations, and these officer may have just created a very hostile environment for their fellow peace officers.

    And what would have happened if they did get the right place? Pounding on a door like that in the middle of the night. He was wanted for murder. They didn't even stop to think that maybe they were unnecessarily putting their own lives at risk to catch some douchebag? Where was their back up? Where was their plan of action? I don't think these deputies are competent enough to wear a badge, honestly.
    Excellent post. My thoughts exactly.
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