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    Re: Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    oh look another deflection and more failed insults LOL

    sorry thats what people typically do when they have no logical honest path to take

    no matter what you try to do your statement was factually wrong.

    just man up and admit it.
    Follow your own advice. All you've posted at me were childish insults, logical fallacies and internet acronyms, while insisting that you're correct.
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    Re: Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    Follow your own advice. All you've posted at me were childish insults, logical fallacies and internet acronyms, while insisting that you're correct.
    LMAO!!
    acronyms ill give you as lots of people use them, they are meaningless and another deflection by you

    but

    I would LOOOOOVE for you to point out these "logical fallacies that are incorrect" and "childish insults" LMAO



    pleeeeeeeease do this, I cant wait


    unlike you I have posted facts and logic and can back up my claims and anything that is my opinion I can freely admit, you havent

    what you said was factually incorrect and I proved it.

    sorry that bothers you

    nice try though
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    Re: Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    LMAO!!
    acronyms ill give you as lots of people use them, they are meaningless and another deflection by you

    but

    I would LOOOOOVE for you to point out these "logical fallacies that are incorrect" and "childish insults" LMAO



    pleeeeeeeease do this, I cant wait


    unlike you I have posted facts and logic and can back up my claims and anything that is my opinion I can freely admit, you havent

    what you said was factually incorrect and I proved it.

    sorry that bothers you

    nice try though
    You continue to prove my point. Good day.
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    Re: Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    There is something called an AAR, after action review, where the exercise or incident is gone over with a fine tooth comb.

    The problem is those who sit on the sidelines and comment rarely have an experience in such matters. It was a pucked deal from the git-go. The deputies did mess up, but without the help of a strong 2nd A 'defender' answering the door with a weapon, which may or may not have been pointed at the Officers, they wouldn't have felt the need to shoot. I do believe if one Officer yells "GUN" it is on with out any real pointing required. Murder suspect, weapon- small details can be filled in later.

    I can't figure why only two officers to roust a murder suspect, as mentioned before there are back windows and doors. I don't believe many tapping away at there computers would be so clear headed at 1am, and just how many girl scouts sell cookies at 1am? If it was ANYone else. 'cept maybe thugs, at the door no one would have died. But it was armed Officers looking for a felony suspect.

    Some comment on their neighborhood as a venue this could have happened in, we don't know if this was a 'good' or 'bad' area. We don't know that went on prior to the 1am knock. Speculating doesn't help us understand.

    I can't help but think a perfectly legal exercise of the victim's Constitutional Rights lead to his death at the hands of Law Enforcement who made mistakes but none intentional. It is as if Stand Your Ground has emboldened some and there are consequences. A young mother in OK waited until the bad guys broke in before shooting. This guy went to the door and opened it to someone he didn't know at 1 in the morning. Perfectly legal in a Stand Your Ground State, deadly when done unwittingly to the cops on a murder suspect hunt.
    What? The man in his home is wrong to have a gun with him to respond to a noise at his door? Remember, this is Joe Citizen, awoken by a noise at the door, after midnight, who takes his gun along to investigate the noise. The confused and paranoid officers ASSUME a threat, upon seeing a gun, as they WRONGLY assume that the MC outside belongs to this citizen, so they execute him in his own home. Of course they are going to play "hero" and assert they were "assaulted" with the gun, they KNOW the law, but they are the ONLY living witnesses, so who is to deny their "official" version of events?
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    Re: Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    You continue to prove my point. Good day.
    Oh the irony, actually you continue to prove mine.

    you CANT prove your FALSE claim and you cant back up your NEW FALSE claims about me!

    I mean if its all true it should be easy to do right? come one prove it, teach me a lesson.
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    Re: Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    Oh the irony, actually you continue to prove mine.

    you CANT prove your FALSE claim and you cant back up your NEW FALSE claims about me!

    I mean if its all true it should be easy to do right? come one prove it, teach me a lesson.
    Do you even realize how childish you're being right now?
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    Re: Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    Do you even realize how childish you're being right now?
    Thats nothing more than your opinion, exposing you and your dishonesty isnt childish LOL

    Whats childish about pointing out the factual irony in your thread?
    what childish about pointiny out your statement was factually wrong? and you wont admit it?
    whats childish about pointing out that you claimed I posted logical fallacies and thats not true and you cant back it up?
    whats wrong about pointing out that you claimed I made childish insults towards you and thats not true and you cant back it up?

    I dont really see it has childish pointing out the reality of our conversation. You are making claims I want you to back them up

    What do you suggest, that I dont correct your inaccurate statements or ask for someone to logical support their claims?
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    Re: Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

    Read what I typed a little slower, I said he was exercising his Constitutional Rights in a Stand Your Ground State at 1am. He was legal to do just that, the only problem is life can be a little more complicated than some internet lecture on rights and the Constitution.

    With rights come responsibilities, where have I heard that before? With the use of deadly force and every time you pick up a weapon for self defense that is the concept you are operating under you have to be damn sure you understand the situation.... (is why answering your door at 1am may not be the best plan, not calling out to see who it is, and not fully alert when going to the door all fall short of a good idea.)

    Cops made mistakes too, but once they saw a weapon it was going south in a hurry. Murder suspect search, weapon, 1am... not going to have a happy ending.

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    Re: Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

    I normally give police the benefit of doubt, but this doesn't pass the smell test with me. They were going after a murder suspect, yet only two deputies are there at 1:30 am, at the wrong address (which means they didn't have a warrant) and they didn't announce themselves as they knocked. I've seen film of no-knock warrants being served by an entire swat team, which consists of first, yelling "POLICE SEARCH WARRANT" then immediately pounding the door open. I've worked in city governmenet, and know that police are trained to announce themselves any time they approach and knock on a door.

    I'm not saying they went there to kill someone. I'm saying they went there unprepared, since they didn't even have the proper address, did not announce themselves as they knocked in the wee hours, then spotted a gun and fired, again without yelling, "POLICE DROP THE WEAPON." If they had done any of this, others in nearby apartments would have heard it, and the man would not be dead.

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    Re: Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I normally give police the benefit of doubt, but this doesn't pass the smell test with me. They were going after a murder suspect, yet only two deputies are there at 1:30 am, at the wrong address (which means they didn't have a warrant) and they didn't announce themselves as they knocked. I've seen film of no-knock warrants being served by an entire swat team, which consists of first, yelling "POLICE SEARCH WARRANT" then immediately pounding the door open. I've worked in city governmenet, and know that police are trained to announce themselves any time they approach and knock on a door.

    I'm not saying they went there to kill someone. I'm saying they went there unprepared, since they didn't even have the proper address, did not announce themselves as they knocked in the wee hours, then spotted a gun and fired, again without yelling, "POLICE DROP THE WEAPON." If they had done any of this, others in nearby apartments would have heard it, and the man would not be dead.
    they dont have to announce themselves just because they are knocking nor do they need a warrant to knock

    and in somecases sometimes they specifically do not announce themselves so the perp doesnt run out the back, hide/destroy evidence, shoot at the door etc etc
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