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Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

muciti said:
Am I the only person who read the article? The cops did not get the address wrong. The police were actively looking for this person and did not know where to find him. He was not residing at that address. He was known to drive a motorcycle and they found the motorcycle parked in front of this address. Seeing his vehicle parked there they went and knocked on the door. That is not a mistaken address. They went to the correct address and he just happened to not be there. They had a very valid reason for knocking on that door.
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So, ONLY if a criminal suspect parks near your house then, the police may now execute you if you have a gun? Is this only a police power or can all citizens now execute anyone that they see with a gun, even in their own home?
 
MaggieD said:
Well, I can't help but notice the similarity to the GZ story. One? We are to take the perpetrators at face value. The other? We're to rip the perpetrator to shreds. I'm just sayin'...

The details of this investigation will probably never be made public. They should be. Coppers should be held to a higher standard of conduct than regular ole' me. I'd like to see public hearings any time a copper discharges his firearm and injures someone. Look at the information that's been realized in the GZ case. Think we'll see that kind of transparency here? I don't.
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who is we?
"I" didnt "rip anybody to shreds"

my statement is VERY objective, IF the story is true, the police aren't at fault and the man is.

as far as transparency? public hearings? higher standard of conduct? etc I have no problem with that stuff but it doesnt impact my statement?

If people want to ask me if I think its possible theres something being covered up? YES of course its "possible" but that wont cause me to make stuff up and say the police are at fault based on guesses and opinion.
 
Objective-J said:
Deputies Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door

Fla. deputies shoot, kill wrong suspect - Law Enforcement News


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I don't think the deputies did anything wrong at all.

"IF" the small details in the story are true they were in the right. Who opens their door, not asking who it is simply pointing a gun? That's just not smart.

Its unfortunate but I dont think theres any fault on the LEOs
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Taking the story at face value, IMO the police did the right thing. Only a nut answers the door with a gun drawn, and yes, if you point a gun at a cop you're going to get shot. I totally agree with the shooting. Don't pull a gun on a cop.
 
MaggieD said:
I know I'm going to get hog-tied and whipped for this, but I also know it's true:

If this victim had been black? We'd have a whole different story going on. Sorry, but I can't help noting the complete and total disparity.
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maybe you just like being hogtied and whipped :p

again you dont know its true, you are guessing.

black men are shot everyday they all dont make the news

there is no disparity at all in reality, unless of course you know that every single time a black guy is shot by a white guy its huge news and the opposite is true for the reverse.

I would agree that just like there are people here TOTALLY GUESSING, there would also be people in that case TOTALLY GUESSING ;)
 
Objective-J said:
who said I was there, im going by the story while a few of you conspiracy theorist are simply making stuff up and pushing your opinions as fact.

If you think it smells funny, im fine with that, say that, say its you OPINION something may seem off

as soon as you say "improper training" there no facts to support that, you are guessing based on nothing :shrug:
Maybe you are right but no info we have supports it, so I will continue to point it out as a total guess

next in your post is meaningless filler, hyperbole and bias rhetoric to try and sell you unsupported opinion.

who said "being stupid usually is a felony and is punishable by death" thats right nobody LMAO nor is that what happened here

who said "cops dont lie" thats right, again NOBODY, just a meaningless irrelevant point

currently the the facts say the man got himself killed for pointing a gun at police officers for no apparent legitimate reason which was stupid.

If that changes let me know
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Who, other than the police that executed the man, saw the "suspect" point a gun at police. I maintain that a hyped up duo of officers THOUGHT that a murder suspect was inside, ALREADY had their weapons drawn, and immediately upon SEEING a gun, executed that person. If the gun was already POINTED at the officers then how do they explain having no shot fired at them as they drew their own weapons?
 
muciti said:
Am I the only person who read the article? The cops did not get the address wrong. The police were actively looking for this person and did not know where to find him. He was not residing at that address. He was known to drive a motorcycle and they found the motorcycle parked in front of this address. Seeing his vehicle parked there they went and knocked on the door. That is not a mistaken address. They went to the correct address and he just happened to not be there. They had a very valid reason for knocking on that door.
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I mention similar situations and how cops door knock all the time and it was ignored by people pushing conspiracy and unsupported fault.
 
UtahBill said:
at 1;30 in the morning? NO.....
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Yes, to find a murder suspect, like I said its happened to me later and not for a murder suspect LMAO and guess what, I didnt open my door witrhout asking questions and pint a gun to whoever was out there ;)
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Who, other than the police that executed the man, saw the "suspect" point a gun at police. I maintain that a hyped up duo of officers THOUGHT that a murder suspect was inside, ALREADY had their weapons drawn, and immediately upon SEEING a gun, executed that person. If the gun was already POINTED at the officers then how do they explain having no shot fired at them as they drew their own weapons?
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In the roll-playing game community we call it 'a natural 20' on an initiative roll.
 
Jerry said:
Taking the story at face value, IMO the police did the right thing. Only a nut answers the door with a gun drawn, and yes, if you point a gun at a cop you're going to get shot. I totally agree with the shooting. Don't pull a gun on a cop.
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What evidence do you have that the gun was "pulled" on the police, other that the word of the officer(s) involved?
 
Jerry said:
Taking the story at face value, IMO the police did the right thing. Only a nut answers the door with a gun drawn, and yes, if you point a gun at a cop you're going to get shot. I totally agree with the shooting. Don't pull a gun on a cop.
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exactly

IF THE STORY IS ACCURATE

cops did the right thing and the man did not

everything else is a total guess supported by nothing but other guesses

ill wait for more details before I become a conspiracy theorist.
 
Jerry said:
In the roll-playing game community we call it 'a natural 20' on an initiative roll.
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In the LEO world it is called the "official" version undisputed by any witness. ;-)
 
ttwtt78640 said:
What evidence do you have that the gun was "pulled" on the police, other that the word of the officer(s) involved?
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See that's why I said "taking the story at face value...".

I just read about it, I have no idea what actually happened. Not being an investigator in the aria, I have no evidence of any kind what-so-ever.

Also, if this thread goes for a while, it helps my future arguments if my initial contribution to this thread is reasonable support for the authorities until evidence demands otherwise, seeing as how cops don't just pull up to some random house and shoot someone for no reason.

IF this is what actually happened, then I support the cops. We shall see.
 
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Lokiate said:
Well that settles it, everyone knows that parking in an apartment complex is totally reliable.
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Please do not reply to me until you read the article. He did not just park in a parking lot he parked in front of this unit.

Since you have trouble reading the article please read this part

Deputies thought they were confronting Jonathan Brown, a man accused of attempted murder. Brown was spotted at the Blueberry Hills Apartment complex and his motorcycle was parked across from Andrew Scott's front door.
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That gives police the reason they need to knock on that door.
 
muciti said:
Please do not reply to me until you read the article. He did not just park in a parking lot he parked in front of this unit.

Since you have trouble reading the article please read this part



That gives police the reason they need to knock on that door.
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I did read the article. Have you never lived in an apartment before?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
So, ONLY if a criminal suspect parks near your house then, the police may now execute you if you have a gun? Is this only a police power or can all citizens now execute anyone that they see with a gun, even in their own home?
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Police (or anyone else for that matter) can shoot anyone who points a gun at them (except for police and military)
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Who, other than the police that executed the man, saw the "suspect" point a gun at police. I maintain that a hyped up duo of officers THOUGHT that a murder suspect was inside, ALREADY had their weapons drawn, and immediately upon SEEING a gun, executed that person. If the gun was already POINTED at the officers then how do they explain having no shot fired at them as they drew their own weapons?
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What does it matter? Do you think the cops are supposed to stand there and get shot until an independent witness comes by to verify it? That is absurd.
 
Lokiate said:
I did read the article. Have you never lived in an apartment before?
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Should I quote the article for you again? perhaps relink the article that has video? How exactly can i simplify this for you? Wouldnt want you to accidently figure things out on your own with the information provided when you can make generalized assumptions.
 
muciti said:
Police (or anyone else for that matter) can shoot anyone who points a gun at them (except for police and military)
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That is INSANE. So if I SEE you with a gun, I can kill you, then tell MY story that you pointed that gun at me. Since no other story exists, I am therefore not guilty?
 
muciti said:
The word of the officers involved. What evidence do you have that he didnt? Some evidence vs No evidence
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Quite true, as dead men tell no tales, case closed. ;-)
 
ttwtt78640 said:
That is INSANE. So if I SEE you with a gun, I can kill you, then tell MY story that you pointed that gun at me. Since no other story exists, I am therefore not guilty?
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By that logic i can point a gun at you and you cant do **** or defend yourself unless an eye witness happens to walk by. So the right to self defense only exists if eye witnesses are present. That is absurd too.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Quite true, as dead men tell no tales, case closed. ;-)
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Again. We have a case that all the evidence that we have supports the officers and there is no evidence to contradict their story (that we know of). If all the evidence in a case points to the defendent being not guilty and nothing indicating they are guilty why on earth would you assume they are guilty? Seems to me you want them to be guilty just because they are cops.
 
muciti said:
Police (or anyone else for that matter) can shoot anyone who points a gun at them (except for police and military)
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ttwtt78640 said:
That is INSANE. So if I SEE you with a gun, I can kill you, then tell MY story that you pointed that gun at me. Since no other story exists, I am therefore not guilty?
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LMAO

one of these things is not like the other, one of these things is not like the other:2dance:
Wow thats pure dishonesty
 
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muciti said:
Again. We have a case that all the evidence that we have supports the officers and there is no evidence to contradict their story (that we know of). If all the evidence in a case points to the defendent being not guilty and nothing indicating they are guilty why on earth would you assume they are guilty? Seems to me you want them to be guilty just because they are cops.
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Seems to me that the OPPOSITE is true. The man executed was in his own home, had not been even suspected of any crime. The ONLY thing that police had as "evidence" was of ANOTHER suspect's vehicle parked LEGALLY near this person's residence. That is NOT grounds for shooting anyone that has a gun. Possession of a firearm in your own home is NOT a crime.
 
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