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    Re: Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Getting a work out with all this ducking and dodging of the question today. Excercise is good i suppose. But when you are done avoiding the questions, think you can answer it or is that asking too much?
    I've already answered your questions, and yes you should get quite the work out by all the dodging you're doing.
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    Re: Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    There was no camera. Answer the question. Should a cop who is about to murdered defend himself or just die when no other witnesses are present, cameras included. STOP avoiding this question and answer it.
    Oh, now it's not "defend himself or go to jail" like before when I answered your same question. Like the goal post moving. It is as any other situation is. He may respond, but then he must defend himself. What happens to any citizen who shoots another without proof that they were justified in doing so? That's what should happen to the cop as well. Police are not above the law.
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    Re: Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    [/B]a man was about to defend himself, not murder someone....granted he went at it wrong, but you are stating it wrong...
    Incompetence, pure and simple....
    How so? He has no legal right to be pointing that gun. If you are pointing a gun at someone your intent is to shoot. If you are about to shoot soemone you have no legal right to shoot, that is murder. Not srue I can simplify that any more for you..
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    Re: Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    How so? He has no legal right to be pointing that gun. If you are pointing a gun at someone your intent is to shoot. If you are about to shoot soemone you have no legal right to shoot, that is murder. Not srue I can simplify that any more for you..
    OK, so you're saying that if cops come at me pointing guns at me, I am justified in shooting back.
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    Re: Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That is exactly opposite to the ideals of the Republic which maintain innocence of the individual less the State can show otherwise. But here it is supposed to be that the Individual is not restricted while the government is. What you write here essentially means that the government may do anything they want and we must prove that they acted improperly. But the government may not do anything it wants, and THEY must prove that they acted properly. Particularly when we discuss the use of government force against the rights and liberties of the individual.
    wow that a nice bit of fantasy but it is simply not true, its pure dishonesty, hyperbole and propaganda.

    Why?
    because I never said any of that, its all BS yo made up and assume LMAO

    It would only fit if I said things like this guy doesnt get a trial or there should be no investigation etc etc

    so what I ACTUALLY wrote is per the current evidence the cops arent at fault and the guy is, meaning that could change and it could not. No if you would like to invent that I said something else in your fantasy world thats fine but thats all its ever going to be.


    nice try but an EPIC failure, HUGE

    if you are going to act like you can read my mind and put false words in my mouth at least have a logical rational reason to do it.
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    Re: Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Oh, now it's not "defend himself or go to jail" like before when I answered your same question. Like the goal post moving. It is as any other situation is. He may respond, but then he must defend himself. What happens to any citizen who shoots another without proof that they were justified in doing so? That's what should happen to the cop as well. Police are not above the law.
    If a person shoots someone who is attempting to murder them, nothing happens. It is self defense. I agree the same should happen with the cop. The goal posts arent moving. The cop had two choices. Die, or shoot. Which should he have done. Answer the question and quit trying to talk around it. Should a cop be allowed to shoot someone who is attempting to murder them with no witnesses or should they just let themselves be murdered?
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    Re: Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    OK, so you're saying that if cops come at me pointing guns at me, I am justified in shooting back.
    If they are ENTERING your home ILLEGALLY and unannounced then YES
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    Re: Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    How so? He has no legal right to be pointing that gun. If you are pointing a gun at someone your intent is to shoot. If you are about to shoot soemone you have no legal right to shoot, that is murder. Not srue I can simplify that any more for you..
    I never said he had a legal right to point the gun.....I did say he made a mistake, that cost him his life.
    And I ALSO say that the cops in question are poorly trained and incompetent.....
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    Re: Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    I never said he had a legal right to point the gun.....I did say he made a mistake, that cost him his life.
    And I ALSO say that the cops in question are poorly trained and incompetent.....
    For not allowing themselves to be killed?
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    Re: Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    OK, so fact is that the cops shot someone dead and all we currently have is excuse by them for their own behavior and no proof that they acted properly in the least.
    you like to jump around alot do you, whats wrong dont you want to admit the logic in your last post was broken?

    sigh more dramatic hyperbole "acted properly in the least"?

    we can say that we THINK the whole story is a lie, thats fine by me but theres no reason to assume the story is inaccurate for now. We investigate and see if theres reason to doubt the story or bring it to trial. Per the info we have the cops arent at fault
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