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    Re: Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

    I really have no clue hoe about 4 people are fired up about this and assume wrong doing LOL

    Could the cops have been at fault?
    abosfreakinlutley! lol but theres no evidence of that yet

    IF some turns up Ill want the cops charged/fired/suspended or whatever myself

    currently as it stands the cops arent at fault and the guy is

    these are the current facts

    if you have a GUESS or OPINION that it might of happened different thats fine but thats all it is, its a guess based off other guesses
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    Re: Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    From the sentinal article. Here is what we know as fact.



    Here is what we know that refutes it.
    As fact we know that the cops did not announce themselves and that they shot the man dead. We do not know if he pointed a gun at the cops.
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    Re: Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    He can't get prison since that would require the State to prove that he acted improperly and at that time he is viewed as an individual. He may have penalties against his profession as a cop, however, if he cannot prove that as a cop he acted diligently and within the rights and liberties of the individual.
    You are not answering my question. You quoted my post which is a good start, but you failed to address it. I am asking you what a cop should do if someone is trying to murder them and no 3rd party witnesses happen to be watching.

    Should the cop just lay down and be killed?
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    Re: Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    As fact we know that the cops did not announce themselves and that they shot the man dead. We do not know if he pointed a gun at the cops.
    Every witness to the shooting says he did. Also the cops arent denying they didnt announce themselves nor are they legally required to unless they intend to forcibly enter the property.
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    Re: Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Lake deputies kill armed man: Lake deputies kill armed man in hunt for attempted-murder suspect - Orlando Sentinel

    only the cops say he pointed the gun, shouldn't the media be saying he "alledgedly" pointed the gun?
    but no matter, the victim in this case supposedly had drugs in his home, and you can expect the sheriff's dept to spin that....
    spin it?
    I say it COULD be a real factor but I stress the word "could" it could also be a non-factor

    if he was high it could explain why he acted so paranoid and opened the door pointing his gun.

    Now this is just my opinion but to do that I think a person would have to be high or mentally incompetent .

    I think thats interesting and I hope they test his blood and release the toxicology report
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    Re: Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Every witness to the shooting says he did. Also the cops arent denying they didnt announce themselves nor are they legally required to unless they intend to forcibly enter the property.
    there were witnesses other than the cops?
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    Re: Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    As fact we know that the cops did not announce themselves and that they shot the man dead. We do not know if he pointed a gun at the cops.
    ?????

    how in the heck do you determine its fact they didnt announce themselves but its not fact he pointed a gun?

    that makes no sense

    did I miss something? arent both these pieces of info from the word of the cops?

    why do you assume one is true and are suspicious of the other? just asking
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    Re: Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    currently as it stands the cops arent at fault and the guy is
    That is exactly opposite to the ideals of the Republic which maintain innocence of the individual less the State can show otherwise. But here it is supposed to be that the Individual is not restricted while the government is. What you write here essentially means that the government may do anything they want and we must prove that they acted improperly. But the government may not do anything it wants, and THEY must prove that they acted properly. Particularly when we discuss the use of government force against the rights and liberties of the individual.
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    Re: Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    You are not answering my question. You quoted my post which is a good start, but you failed to address it. I am asking you what a cop should do if someone is trying to murder them and no 3rd party witnesses happen to be watching.

    Should the cop just lay down and be killed?
    put the shoe on the other foot, what should a citizen do if he thinks a cop is about to murder him?
    either way, the question is stupid.
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    Re: Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    there were witnesses other than the cops?
    There was the cop who shot and the cops who were with him.
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