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    Re: Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The most unbiased of sources at this time say he had a gun, not that he was pointing it. The cops who did the deed are claiming it was pointed at them and they'll need to demonstrate that.
    What? They dont need to prove that because it is not provable beyond their own words. Can you please address post 203

    What source says he didnt?
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    Re: Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    let me know when you are back on topic. ill be here for a bit.
    I was asking for clarification of your sentence as what you wrote seems to suggest that with gun or not, he was rightfully shot by the cops. But if you wanna play deflection games, so be it. Just says a lot about your intellectual honesty in your arguments.
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    Re: Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    What? They dont need to prove that because it is not provable beyond their own words. Can you please address post 203

    What source says he didnt?
    So as long as something is "not provable beyond their own words" the government may do as it likes?
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    Re: Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    It's the reason you keep the gun out of sight until you intend to shoot. Once you point it you've given the other guy permission to kill you whether it's the police or not. On the other hand, had he known it was the police I'm pretty sure he would not have picked a gun up. The police tend to come out on top in those kinds of encounters, and God help you if you actually manage to kill the policeman. There's a guy in prison in Florida who killed a policeman who stormed into his house, the wrong house, in a no-knock raid at night.

    yep , common sense says you just dont point a gun at someone for knocking on your door
    also he could of simply said "who is it?" if he was mad who could of said "who the **** is it?"

    EDIT: also not familiar with the case you mention the end but I dont like it per the detail you gave seems like its BS to put that guy away
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    Re: Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So as long as something is "not provable beyond their own words" the government may do as it likes?
    post 203. you ignoring it on purpose. tell me what they should do. please.
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    Re: Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The most unbiased of sources at this time say he had a gun, not that he was pointing it. The cops who did the deed are claiming it was pointed at them and they'll need to demonstrate that.
    Unbiased sources according to who?
    why are they sources? they werent there

    anyway back on point

    theres no reason to deem that he acted reasonable, thats the point.

    If some NEW EVIDENCE comes out then maybe we can say he did, currently per the info he did not
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    Re: Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

    Lake deputies kill armed man: Lake deputies kill armed man in hunt for attempted-murder suspect - Orlando Sentinel

    only the cops say he pointed the gun, shouldn't the media be saying he "alledgedly" pointed the gun?
    but no matter, the victim in this case supposedly had drugs in his home, and you can expect the sheriff's dept to spin that....
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    Re: Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Lake deputies kill armed man: Lake deputies kill armed man in hunt for attempted-murder suspect - Orlando Sentinel

    only the cops say he pointed the gun, shouldn't the media be saying he "alledgedly" pointed the gun?
    but no matter, the victim in this case supposedly had drugs in his home, and you can expect the sheriff's dept to spin that....
    Is there any evidence other than the cops word? Anything at all to refute it? Any evidence that he didnt point the gun at them?
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    Re: Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

    From the sentinal article. Here is what we know as fact.

    A deputy spotted the suspect riding a motorcycle but he was able to elude capture, the Sheriff's Office said. Deputies later found the bike parked at an apartment complex, and knocked on the door of the nearest apartment at about 1:30 a.m.

    Deputies, however, did not announce who they were, said Sheriff's Office spokesman Lt. John Herrell, because they thought it would be more "tactically advantageous." Herrell said it is not standard procedure for deputies to announce their presence, but the officers were in uniform.

    The resident answered armed with a gun, which he pointed at deputies. One of the deputies fatally shot the man, identified as Andrew Lee Scott, 26.

    Herrell said the decision whether or not to announce law-enforcement presence is up to the deputy on the scene.
    Here is what we know that refutes it.

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    Re: Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    So if a person attempts to murder a cop, and noone is there to see if the cops should accept death or prison? Should they ask the guy to write a statement admitting his intent, or should they ask him to hold on till witnesses arrive? Please tell me what a group of cops should do when they are about to murdered without other witnesses.
    He can't get prison since that would require the State to prove that he acted improperly and at that time he is viewed as an individual. He may have penalties against his profession as a cop, however, if he cannot prove that as a cop he acted diligently and within the rights and liberties of the individual.
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